Win & Win Trigger

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Hi, I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any experience or feelings about this bow ? JAG

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ?

A beginner who joined our club last summer bought a Win&Win set (not exactly sure which one), and he was shooting 500 Portsmouths before Christmas IIRC.  The guy’s obviously reasonably talented, but the bow’s not holding him back… Jonny

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

I bought a Trigger for my son for Christmas.  He had been shooting a couple of month previously using a club bow.  He is really happy with it and his scores have steadily climbed. Prior to the purchase I asked a lot of questions on this list and many people thought the Trigger was an excellent beginner’s bow.  You might use DejaNews of search this group for the word "Trigger" to find some of the discussion. — Bill Tschumy Otherwise — Austin, TX

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

I don’t know about the "set", but I would highly recommend the bow (as I do to members of my club).  Very good value for money and good to shoot too. HTH, -Mac

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The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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says… >Hi, >I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any >experience or feelings about this bow ?

We picked one up for the team here at CU earlier this year.  It is a nice starter bow.  It has adjustable weight, which is a big plus.  The handle is nice for smaller hands.  For the price, it is a very good deal. — Alex     __O        _-<,_       (_)/ (_)

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  You really don’t need a removable grip or a grip you can file down (modify) on a beginners bow.  It’s just to get the archer started and get them to develop their form.  The grip should be modified later when they are advanced, which is also when they have a more advanced bow.  The Trigger is designed more for camps and as a starter bow.  I’m sure W&W had the adjustable/removable grip in mind when they designed it but figured it’s not important for a starting archer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the > grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal > and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris > Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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Check the limb bolts on the riser before purchase. One of our club members found his had fractured at the ’screw end’ (inside of the riser facing the archer) where it is finished to take an allen key. The UK supplier happily replaced the failed item (good for him). No other problems. Regards, Dennis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is this bow and who makes it?  Just curious. -Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the > grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal > and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris > Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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> I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is this > bow and who makes it?  Just curious.

Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) the Korean team. Jonny

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Do they have a web page?  If so whats the address? -Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is > this > bow and who makes it?  Just curious. > Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) > the Korean team. > Jonny

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http://www.win-archery.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Do they have a web page?  If so whats the address? > -Todd > > I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is > this > > bow and who makes it?  Just curious. > Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) > the Korean team. > Jonny

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oneida eagle owners

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Anyone out there who owns an oneida eagle bow. What do you use it for mostly, how do you like it?

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So, you’d say they are noisy compared to other bows?  Would you say that precision-wise they are as good as about any similar priced bow?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Although I haven’t shot one since I switched to longbow, I still own several, > including a Stealth Eagle, and used them for everything from target to 3D to > hunting. > Nice shooters if you can stand the noise. > A man that straddles the fence, gets a sore crotch

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Yeah, they due tend to be a touch louder than cam bows. It has to do with the string slapping the limb (like a recurve) and the limbs snapping together. There are various tricks that Oneida shooters have learned over the years to combat this. If you check their website, you can read some of them. As far as are they a good deal, I’d say you do get your money’s worth, especially on Lite Force and Lite Force Mag. Two of the best buys on the market. A man that straddles the fence, gets a sore crotch

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Lovely bow.  My second bow was a screaming eagle and though I have several different bows by various manufacturers (mostly PSE) since (it was stolen), I am contemplating the purchase of a new one as I give my current hunting bow to my eldest son.  What I always liked about the Oneida was its smoothness.  I had some mechanical problems with the bow, but those have since been addressed with the newer models.  As a hunting bow I find that it has a a number of advantages; At full draw you can rest the tip of the limb on your knee and hold the bow at draw for quite some time.  This was particularly useful hunting whitetails in the swamp on the ground where the drawing movement was a disadvantage.  Secondly, unlike all these one-cam bows, you can actually change a string in the field and get your bow shooting right in a minimum amount of time should you suffer an accident of some sort. I am an avid target shooter, so I expect a high degree of accuracy when I tune and shoot a bow.  The Oneidas are as good as any bow I’ve shot. Andy P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone out there who owns an oneida eagle bow. > What do you use it for mostly, how do you like it?

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I have an old oneida eagle i think its great i used to use it for target archery and it worked well for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone out there who owns an oneida eagle bow. > What do you use it for mostly, how do you like it?

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I have an oneida golden eagle bow and have no problem killing deer with it. 30 in draw, 65#, 65% let-off. Very quiet with catwhiskers tied on at the string loops. a bit noisier with carbon but still have taken three deer in three years with two arrows,( reused same arrow second and third year) two spine shots with it, dropped seven deer in seven years with it. Very pleased with oneida and Muzzy broadheads.

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   I have owned and shot an onieda x-80 for the last 3 years and shot Pro-line,PSE and Browning before that. I wouldn’t take anything away from these or any other bows, but something just "clicked " with me and this Onieda. I am an instinctive shooter and shoot this bow off the shelf, no rest no sights no nothin. I took six deer last year 5 of these with the same arrow. I know what your thinking, yeah right!  This bow I would not trade for anything. It lends itself real well to my style of shooting, its what I have been looking for  a long time. A little noisy but I have heard worse. One thing that needs to be mentioned here is for hunting you need to be more aware of branches above and below your bow as the limbs flex much more than a regular compound bow, and you need to allow for much more clearance. Try before you buy if you can, I’m looking for another cause I’m gonna wear this one out! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone out there who owns an oneida eagle bow. > What do you use it for mostly, how do you like it?

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Ranging…

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I’m having a devil of a time trying to learn how to accurately estimate distances between 20 and 40 yards. My eyesight and depth perception are average – no problems there. I’m coming up 3 to 6 yards short or long every time. If I know the range, I’m grouping anywhere from 3" to 5" (3 shot groups) at 20, 30 and 40 yards, and I’m on the money. With unknown ranges, I’m still grouping good, but I’m always out of the bull… I can always apply Kentucky-windage after the first shot, but that only works on targets that don’t move and I would *REALLY* like to go turkey hunting next spring… It seems like it should be so easy to estimate within a yard of actual range, but I’ll be hanged if I’ve learned the skill yet. I’ve been working on it for the past month with no improvement. Does it just take months/years of practice to learn? ( The ol’ burn and learn technique). Anybody got any hints / tips / tricks / suggestions / exercises?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m having a devil of a time trying to learn how to accurately estimate >distances between 20 and 40 yards. >My eyesight and depth perception are average – no problems there. I’m coming >up 3 to 6 yards short or long >every time. If I know the range, I’m grouping anywhere from 3" to 5" (3 shot >groups) at 20, 30 and 40 yards, >and I’m on the money. With unknown ranges, I’m still grouping good, but I’m >always out of the bull… I can always >apply Kentucky-windage after the first shot, but that only works on targets >that don’t move and I would >*REALLY* like to go turkey hunting next spring… It seems like it should be >so easy to estimate within a yard of actual range, but I’ll be hanged if >I’ve learned the skill yet. >I’ve been working on it for the past month with no improvement. Does it just >take months/years of practice to learn? >( The ol’ burn and learn technique). Anybody got any hints / tips / tricks / >suggestions / exercises?

Even pro’s like Chuck Adams recommend range finders. If you are hunting turkey you would need to check distances in advance.  I bought a Mason sight which is a pendulum type which lights up pins – only good in tree stand. Often set up ground markers in frequently used stands. Frank

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Every 3D archery has to learn this, so this question often comes up in the 3D circles.  My personal way is to get into your head how far 10 yards is.  The you look at the target and count back 10, 20, 30, 40, etc.  You can also count from you to the target.  When you are counting, pick something at 10yds, 20yds, etc.  It could be a stick, plant, bush, spot of light, just something.  This is what most of the 3D archers I know do to get the yardage.  Also, it is good to learn both counting too the target and from the target.  Then you can count both and compare. This is what I do when I am not quite hitting the yards. Also, a LOT of practice helps. HTH Greg Isaacs —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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What about all the hunters? Take a masurement with U, ask the turkey if it’ll wait until you got the distance. Then try to shoot. All your talking about the enormous distance between you the animal makes me laughing. What you wana hunt ? a mice at 40 yards ? when you shoot a fast compound you pins 20 and 60 yards are 20 mm close. from 0 to 40 yards its maybe 10 to 15mm. if its to meters to long ore to short who cares about. the animal is still dead. if not learn to shoot. Compoundbow, release, carbon arrow, razorhead, camoclothes, a range finder (for the blind) the grandma withe the umbrella, and the pope for the maybe dad animal… Thousends of dollars spending, using hightech equipment to hunt just on a turkey ? Oh my good you have problems. Try basic hunting, take a longbow, take wooden arrows, no glasses, shoot with fingers and then try a big brown bear. Now the chance is 90:10 for you. I don’t wanna be more critical, in germany we say to that way of hunting you do to shoot withe a canon at sparrows. Good luck with the bear… Urs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m having a devil of a time trying to learn how to accurately estimate >distances between 20 and 40 yards. >My eyesight and depth perception are average – no problems there. I’m coming >up 3 to 6 yards short or long >every time. If I know the range, I’m grouping anywhere from 3" to 5" (3 shot >groups) at 20, 30 and 40 yards, >and I’m on the money. With unknown ranges, I’m still grouping good, but I’m >always out of the bull… I can always >apply Kentucky-windage after the first shot, but that only works on targets >that don’t move and I would >*REALLY* like to go turkey hunting next spring… It seems like it should be >so easy to estimate within a yard of actual range, but I’ll be hanged if >I’ve learned the skill yet. >I’ve been working on it for the past month with no improvement. Does it just >take months/years of practice to learn? >( The ol’ burn and learn technique). Anybody got any hints / tips / tricks / >suggestions / exercises? >Even pro’s like Chuck Adams recommend range finders. If you are hunting turkey >you would need to check distances in advance.  I bought a Mason sight which is >a pendulum type which lights up pins – only good in tree stand. >Often set up ground markers in frequently used stands. >Frank

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It is never easy to look at a item and be able to come up with the exact distance. Over the years the best I have been able to do is to look at the target or hunting game and see how many group of 10 yds to go from me to the item. You can practice on 10 yds till you feel that you are right on and then try the group of 10 yds method to come up with the target actual distance…try it, it may help in 3D or hunting… — Bill Olmesdahl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Compoundbow, release, carbon arrow, razorhead, camoclothes, a range finder > (for the blind) > the grandma withe the umbrella, and the pope for the maybe dad animal… > Thousends of dollars spending, using hightech equipment to hunt just on a > turkey ? > Oh my good you have problems. > Try basic hunting, take a longbow, take wooden arrows, no glasses, shoot > with fingers > and then try a big brown bear. Now the chance is 90:10 for you. > I don’t wanna be more critical, in germany we say to that way of hunting you > do > to shoot withe a canon at sparrows.

I do not mean to be critical but if you really want to get back to basics then why aren’t you using your hands and maybe a club. Your only chance is to strangle or beat him over the head. Now that is basic. I am not critical of anyones means of take. They are just tools. And the tools do not a hunter make. Come on now we are on the same side. Hunt however you  like and so will I and we will both be happy. No need to put down a fellow hunter just because he did not make his own bow and arrows. You take or leave whatever your preferences that is a personal thing. Just my 2 dollars worth. Jerry

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Buckmaster?????

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I am buying my first bow. I will use it for hunting. I am thinking about a Jennings Buckmaster. Any opinions??? Bob Kennedy

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Although I don’t own one and I’m not a hunter or big on compounds in general, the Jennings is nto a bad bow for the money.  It seems to do it’s job okay, and for the price it’s not bad at all. Han Su Kim

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  In my opinion the "Buckmaster" is over priced and over rated. There are many fine bows that will out perform at less cost. All you are buying is a name. My wife left!! Wonder who’s gonna clean this deer now?

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>  In my opinion the "Buckmaster" is over priced and over rated. There are many >fine bows that will out perform at less cost. All you are buying is a name.

I second that !!! — Bye, Sven

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>I am buying my first bow. I will use it for hunting. I am thinking about >a Jennings Buckmaster. Any opinions???

Go to: http://listings.ebay.com/aw/listings/list/category383/index.html and look for a  MARTIN FURY. A better bow for a better price. btw: The bows are NEW !!! — Bye, Sven

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I purchased a Buckmaster bow last year and I must tell you I Really like it I dont think you will go wrong with it.It isn’t the fastest bow on the market but is well balanced and shoots very well with great power.I shoot xx78 super slams with 85 gr. tips and overdraw it shoots consistently 250fps. I have enjoyed mine very much. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am buying my first bow. I will use it for hunting. I am thinking about > a Jennings Buckmaster. Any opinions??? > Bob Kennedy

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Ok bob here is my view on that bow my father and i own a archery shop in ohio and we are a bear/jennings dealer i owend a buckmaster the first year they came out i got ride of mine cause the vibration and how it hit me in my wrist no matter how u hold it it hits u my father still loves his..we sold around 30 last year and had no complants..they have 4 buckmasters for "99" the buckmaster "pwc" which is a great bow  they re desinged it  the seem very nice hope it works out for u if u need any other help write me back

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> I am buying my first bow. I will use it for hunting. I am thinking about > a Jennings Buckmaster. Any opinions??? > Bob Kennedy

After shooting a PSE for 7 years, I wanted a second bow, so I bought a Buckmaster too. With my PSE EDGE 50 50 serie, I got quite few deer, 2 black bears and small game. My buckmaster is still on my wall, waiting that my PSE die, then I`ll use it. Why? It vibrates a lot, too much recoil, the Zebra string and cables stretch way too much(in 2 weeks almost 1 and 1/2 inches) and  it is very noisy. About speed? With the same arrows, same poundage, my old PSE is 27fps faster than the Buckmaster. That is why is still hanging on my wall.

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rather have a Browning BloodBrother or a selfbow. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am buying my first bow. I will use it for hunting. I am thinking > about > a Jennings Buckmaster. Any opinions??? > Bob Kennedy > After shooting a PSE for 7 years, I wanted a second bow, so I bought a > Buckmaster too. With my PSE EDGE 50 50 serie, I got quite few deer, 2 > black bears and small game. My buckmaster is still on my wall, waiting > that my PSE die, then I`ll use it. Why? It vibrates a lot, too much > recoil, the Zebra string and cables stretch way too much(in 2 weeks > almost 1 and 1/2 inches) and  it is very noisy. About speed? With the > same arrows, same poundage, my old PSE is 27fps faster than the > Buckmaster. That is why is still hanging on my wall.

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Your newsreader is corrupt. Or could it really be, that you use a browser for the newsgroups? — Bye, Sven

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Nashbar SPD shoes

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> Has anyone tried the nashbar shoes? > Are they any good? > I just cracked the sole on my left Nike Pedali yesterday and > don’t want to spend a lot of money replacing them.

you really shouldn’t have to replace em- send em to Nike, and get some new ones (though maybe you would do well to bail on Nike- let em make air Jordans until they figure out how to make a decent shoe.) If price is an issue check out Diadora’s Jalepeno. -doug

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It might be possible that they’re made by specialized, I called nashbar to find out which sizing scale to look at they go by the specialized sizes. I’m mainly looking at mail-order because I need a large pair (US mens 14) and most shops don’t stock the largest sizes. — Alaric,           | Archery: A deeply seated hatred of paper with bright Mka Brandon Reed  |  coloured circles printed on it. http://www.engr.orst.edu:80/~reed

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Has anyone tried the nashbar shoes? Are they any good? I just cracked the sole on my left Nike Pedali yesterday and don’t want to spend a lot of money replacing them.

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>Has anyone tried the nashbar shoes? >Are they any good?

   A friend of mine just bought a pair, and likes them a lot.  Another friend of mine said he had heard good things too, and said he thought they were actually being manufactured by Specialized.    And this other guy said that someone he met once knew a girl that used to date this guy that… well, anyway, hope this helps. http://zenith.berkeley.edu/~abbas/

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Get ready for Vegas '97!

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Get ready for Vegas ‘97! The format, due to popular demand, will, once again,  be determined by the highest accumulated three-day scores. There is more money up for grabs in both the top Championship and Flight Divisions. Also visit the National Archery Show and much more! For more details see the Martin Archery home page at: http://www.martinarchery.com/         Terry Martin         Martin Archery /////             |/

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Glad to see the format change.  It’s about time the best shooters were recognized for their overall performance! -Perry

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The Commonwealth is looking for sites!

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