professional coaching?

Question:

I know the answer to (almost) everything is ‘Join a club’…but there seems to be plenty of coaching available for beginners, and also for ’star’/club team archers…and not a lot inbetween. Someone like me who’s done a beginner’s course and now has his own gear and dreams of glory – well, there’s not a coach in sight. So..anyone know of any professional archery coaches? Do we have them in the UK? And is there one/some in Seattle?

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Ya know, there is something funny about coaches..They are expensive for one. There is no substitute for practice. Watch the "good" shooters in the local club.And try to apply what you see.Form etc.. And practice. But remember, you only have to practice on days that you eat.

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> only have to practice on days that you eat.

I will have to remember that one. Archeryking

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NEED TRAINING DEVICE

Question:

I am looking for a training device I saw on the internet, but can’t find it now.  You may have seen it in Archery Focus magazine.  Coach Bernie sells one to go along with his videos.  It is a bow handle with a tension device to attach your release to.  It has a place for a sight and stabilizers and to add weight to simulate the weight of your bow.  It also has a laser in it to show where the shot goes.  Robinhood Productions has it, but with videos for $129  and someone was selling it alone for $89.      Does anyone know the web address?  Should have writ it down.   Thanks Rob

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— Cathy Korby Archery Coach

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I saw that at vegas, and wasn’t horribly impressed with it. Why would you want to practice on something that didn’t have the exact feel/weight of your bow? I would think your best bet would be to buy a really inexpensive JOAD bow to run through your shot routine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am looking for a training device I saw on the internet, but can’t find it > now.  You may have seen it in Archery Focus magazine.  Coach Bernie sells > one to go along with his videos.  It is a bow handle with a tension device > to attach your release to.  It has a place for a sight and stabilizers and > to add weight to simulate the weight of your bow.  It also has a laser in it > to show where the shot goes.  Robinhood Productions has it, but with videos > for $129  and someone was selling it alone for $89. >      Does anyone know the web address?  Should have writ it down.   Thanks > Rob

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Win & Win Trigger

Question:

Hi, I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any experience or feelings about this bow ? JAG

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ?

A beginner who joined our club last summer bought a Win&Win set (not exactly sure which one), and he was shooting 500 Portsmouths before Christmas IIRC.  The guy’s obviously reasonably talented, but the bow’s not holding him back… Jonny

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

I bought a Trigger for my son for Christmas.  He had been shooting a couple of month previously using a club bow.  He is really happy with it and his scores have steadily climbed. Prior to the purchase I asked a lot of questions on this list and many people thought the Trigger was an excellent beginner’s bow.  You might use DejaNews of search this group for the word "Trigger" to find some of the discussion. — Bill Tschumy Otherwise — Austin, TX

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> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

I don’t know about the "set", but I would highly recommend the bow (as I do to members of my club).  Very good value for money and good to shoot too. HTH, -Mac

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The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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says… >Hi, >I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any >experience or feelings about this bow ?

We picked one up for the team here at CU earlier this year.  It is a nice starter bow.  It has adjustable weight, which is a big plus.  The handle is nice for smaller hands.  For the price, it is a very good deal. — Alex     __O        _-<,_       (_)/ (_)

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  You really don’t need a removable grip or a grip you can file down (modify) on a beginners bow.  It’s just to get the archer started and get them to develop their form.  The grip should be modified later when they are advanced, which is also when they have a more advanced bow.  The Trigger is designed more for camps and as a starter bow.  I’m sure W&W had the adjustable/removable grip in mind when they designed it but figured it’s not important for a starting archer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the > grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal > and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris > Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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Check the limb bolts on the riser before purchase. One of our club members found his had fractured at the ’screw end’ (inside of the riser facing the archer) where it is finished to take an allen key. The UK supplier happily replaced the failed item (good for him). No other problems. Regards, Dennis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is this bow and who makes it?  Just curious. -Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The only negative comment I have heard about the bow, is to do with the > grip – one coach I know doesn’t like the idea of the grip being metal > and not removable (but then he probably doesn’t like the Perris > Whitehart either…). > Hi, > I am considering buying a Win & Win Trigger set.  Anyone have any > experience or feelings about this bow ? > JAG

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> I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is this > bow and who makes it?  Just curious.

Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) the Korean team. Jonny

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Do they have a web page?  If so whats the address? -Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is > this > bow and who makes it?  Just curious. > Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) > the Korean team. > Jonny

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http://www.win-archery.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Do they have a web page?  If so whats the address? > -Todd > > I have seen this Win & Win Trigger Set mentioned quite alot… what is > this > > bow and who makes it?  Just curious. > Win&Win are a Korean company AFAIK – used by most(?all) > the Korean team. > Jonny

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Arrows Again…

Question:

James Bingham’s dad just helps me out really, I ment to say that he who helps me out is the coach of James Bingham and also his dad and why does Ian Crowther have to come into things? I’m leaving this newsgroup immediately as some people are helpful others just come back with smart comments and insults.

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THE price one pays when posting a question to people around the world, asking these people for  FREE advice, David, is that you will get diverse viewpoints. I just reviewed the thread of responses to your rather weakly composed message.   THe vast majority of respondees tried to offer helpful information – one or two were rather pointed in the questions they posed in response, but FREE advice is what you asked for. Don’t complain when you get it, and don’t like some of the answers<G>.  (Some people up here are still testy from a nasty non-archery thread awhile back, I think….) And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do. > James Bingham’s dad just helps me out really, I ment to say that he who > helps me out is the coach of James Bingham and also his dad and why does Ian > Crowther have to come into things? > I’m leaving this newsgroup immediately as some people are helpful others > just come back with smart comments and insults.

– ARC in  Lago Vista, TX Newton died, Einstein died, and I’m not felling well…

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>And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from >the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here >and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do.

YES, that is Usenet!! — Sven

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Q: How many usenet users does it take to change a light bulb? A:  Shut up you *sshole, the light’s not burned out, you’re just blind. OR A: 1,331:      1   to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed     14  to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.      7   to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.     27  to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.     53 to flame the spell checkers    156  to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this         mail list.     41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.    109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb    203  to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be         stopped.    111  to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to         this mail list.    306  to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light         bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty.     27  to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs     14  to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs.      3   to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this         list.     33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."     12  to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.     19   to quote the "Me Too’s" to say, "Me Three."      4   to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.      1   to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.     47   to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here.    143  votes for alt.lite.bulb. >And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from >the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here >and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do. > YES, that is Usenet!! > — > Sven

– ARC in  Lago Vista, TX A hen is an egg’s way of making another egg.

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Tuning plunger buttons

Question:

A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret technique? —

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A very knowledgable archery coach shared a manual (his manual)  with me that has this technique.  It’s not my document to share, but it describes using the matchstick initially then going to a spring, as part of a VERY concise tuning method. First, Stiff plunger using match. then paper tune to determine vertical tune then adjust nock point. then horizontal tear using paper then drop method then pattern analysis then perfection tune then index nock. His manual goes into great detail.   Using a matchstick is indeed a valid technique I think, from his manual. — ARC in Lago Vista, TX There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can count, and those who can’t.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In over 20 years of archery I have never heard of this, It sounds like you > are being led up the garden path. > A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique? > —

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In over 20 years of archery I have never heard of this, It sounds like you are being led up the garden path.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique? > —

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Also Sprach Steve Ratte: >A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing >the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then >replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret >technique?

This technique is the one developed by my coach Dick Tone.  It’s no secret.  It works. Just contact Cavalier Archery Co. Inc. and ask for a copy of Dick’s tuning method.  (480) 497 2977

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THat’s really stupid!! Was he pulling your leg? Colin > A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique? > —

– Colin Glenister BSc(Hons) MNASC Archery County Coach To reply delete ‘home.’ from my address.

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>THat’s really stupid!! >Was he pulling your leg? >Colin > A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique?

Not stupid at all. This method for tuning recurve target bows was described by a well respected US top archer, coach and equipment manufacturer Dick Tone. Briefly, set the bow perfectly center shot, tighten down the spring until it’s solid (or replace it with a piece of matchstick). Then set the nocking point using bare shafts, then select the best matching shaft stiffness by selecting the arrow size that enters the butt straight at a short distance. Once you’ve selected the proper arrow shaft, then move the plunger center shot out to the usual place, set the sight pin directly over the arrow shaft, replace the spring and shoot fletched arrows. Without moving your sight, replace the spring and start loosening the tension until your groups are in line with your sight/aiming point. That does it for coarse tuning. Then you do your fine tuning at longer distances with the trial-and-error method. I’ve used this technique for my own and many other archers’ setups and have always found it to be quick, easy and reliable.

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>THat’s really stupid!! >Was he pulling your leg? >Colin

 I’m suprised that yourself, as a BSc(Hons) MNASC & County Coach, have missed out on this tried and tested method…it’s been around for a while now. How do GNAS coaches update their knowledge?…RW   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique? > — >– >Colin Glenister BSc(Hons) MNASC >Archery County Coach >To reply delete ‘home.’ from my address.

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>  I’m suprised that yourself, as a BSc(Hons) MNASC & County Coach, have > missed out on this tried and tested method…it’s been around for a > while now. How do GNAS coaches update their knowledge?…RW

Update? You don’t think GNAS does any ongoing training of coaches do you? So far as I can tell the only way we have of keeping on-stream is through forums like this one, discussion with others, and the old favourite: trial and error. Like most coaches, I read books, magazines, manuals, I chase down references on the net and attend conferences, and I still get surprised by the things people take for granted in these posts sometimes. Before you buy.

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Colin, please be carefull before making yourself look stupid. The information for this tuning method has been covered in depth over the past weeks. You could give UK coaches a bad name.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> THat’s really stupid!! > Was he pulling your leg? > Colin > A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing > the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then > replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret > technique? > — > — > Colin Glenister BSc(Hons) MNASC > Archery County Coach > To reply delete ‘home.’ from my address.

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Sorry you have no continuing ed programs in GB.  Our NAA offers periodic courses for levels 1-4 and many of the people in these are repeats.  Also, many people come from other countries.  I just took a level 3 course and one student was from Israel and another from Yugoslavia. The course materials are not always state of the art but student discussions are on current art (and a little science). Bill * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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>> How do GNAS coaches update their knowledge?

I think for the Brits, if it ain’t on parchment it ain’t fer Sh*t…. (But you don’t really expect everyone to know everything, right?)<G> — ARC in Lago Vista, TX In politics an absurdity is not a handicap.   – Napoleon Bonaparte

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->THat’s really stupid!! >Was he pulling your leg? >Colin >  I’m suprised that yourself, as a BSc(Hons) MNASC & County Coach, have > missed out on this tried and tested method…it’s been around for a > while now. How do GNAS coaches update their knowledge?…RW >> A friend told me about a way to tune plunger buttons that involve removing >> the spring and replacing it with a match stick, tuning the bow and then >> replacing the spring again.  Can any of you old timers divulge this secret >> technique? >> — >– >Colin Glenister BSc(Hons) MNASC >Archery County Coach >To reply delete ‘home.’ from my address.

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Where to start

Question:

I recently was on vacation and took some archery lessons.  It was a great deal of fun and now I’m hooked, but I can’t seem to find any archery ranges, places for instruction and information about archery leagues in the Washington, DC area. If you know of any, I would appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks, Mark

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You might want to look in the Yellow Pages for your area under "archery and "sporting goods."   When you find an archery store, they will be able to get you going.  Ask for a lead on a certified coach and start there.  Good luck!

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Field Archery Course Design

Question:

Hi: My father would like to set up several field archery courses on some acreage he has in Missouri. One course would be for disabled use. We’ve looked on the web and haven’t found anything about course design yet. Can anyone help with info on course design or any other aspect of running such a business? He is able to travel to look at courses. Thanks–Janet

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Send an email to the NAA (www.usarchery.org).  They sponsor a lot of tournaments for handicapped. My old coach used to run a bunch of them. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi: >My father would like to set up several field archery courses on some >acreage he has in Missouri. One course would be for disabled use. We’ve >looked on the web and haven’t found anything about course design yet. >Can anyone help with info on course design or any other aspect of >running such a business? He is able to travel to look at courses. >Thanks–Janet

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Actually, it might be better to contact the NFAA, there is a link off of the NAA page. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Send an email to the NAA (www.usarchery.org).  They sponsor a lot of >tournaments for handicapped. >My old coach used to run a bunch of them. >Scott >Hi: >My father would like to set up several field archery courses on some >acreage he has in Missouri. One course would be for disabled use. We’ve >looked on the web and haven’t found anything about course design yet. >Can anyone help with info on course design or any other aspect of >running such a business? He is able to travel to look at courses. >Thanks–Janet

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Anyone in WORCESTER, UK watching?

Question:

If there is anyone watching this group in Worcester, UK, please email me. I’m new to the sport and would like to find out more for my region. Thanks.

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Hi, If you need info on archery in the UK check out the GNAS web site at http://www.gnas.u-net.com Neil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >If there is anyone watching this group in Worcester, UK, >please email me. >I’m new to the sport and would like to find out more >for my region. >Thanks.

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Yes me ! Sorry I missed the original posting. I am a county coach based in theWorcester (UK) area and have been shooting for 17 years. I  would be more than glad to give any help or infomation that I can. Greig. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, > If you need info on archery in the UK check out the GNAS web site at > http://www.gnas.u-net.com > Neil >If there is anyone watching this group in Worcester, UK, >please email me. >I’m new to the sport and would like to find out more >for my region. >Thanks.

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