Peter S. (for SICK) Saly

Question:

>Must I post a link the piccie of your camel vagina face for all to see? Must >I post a link to your messages to you gay friends?

Twice: YES. SCNR :-> — Sven

Response:

> >Must I post a link the piccie of your camel vagina face for all to see? Must >I post a link to your messages to you gay friends? > Twice: YES. > SCNR :-> > — > Sven

Why Am I not surprised to see you respond..

Response:

>No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is.

Ron, it’s your call my friend but IMHO it’s best to put these people on a killfile and forget it. The best thing you can do with an errant child is to: (a) punish them. (b) set a good example for them to follow. Since we can’t do (a), I suggest (b) to be the best option. I understand your anger and desire to hit out, but chill mon ami, you are simply adding fuel to fire their personal pleasure. Life’s too short and there are WAY too many arrows to shoot. Last posting on the subject )

Response:

> By the way, I have been on usenet a lot longer that you by quite a few > yearsmore than your 2 years…

And yet you still top post? PLONK! — Marc T Shirts, Sweatshirts, polo shirts, banners, signs,decals, stickers etc for one make car clubs and sports clubs http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/

Response:

> By the way, I have been on usenet a lot longer that you by quite a few > yearsmore than your 2 years… > And yet you still top post? > PLONK!

Oh my…     The mutliple reasons that people get their knickers twisted are just amazing.. 1)    Where is it written that top-posting is an ABSOLUTE no-no ? 2)    I post in the same style as the person I am responding to. 3)    Pesonally, I think top-posting makes a LOT more sense than bottom posting in this medium.. But different strokes for different folk..

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Poor runny.. >     Why don’t you wipe your nose.. > Too bad that only one here trying to pick a fight is you.. > By the way, I can put your name in the header too… > And while we’re at it.. >     Weren’t you the twit who claimed that Zolan was my sock-puppet ? > We’re still waiting for an explanation as to how posters from England and > the US can share an IP node… > Or are you too busy enjoying your spanking to deal with FACTS that make > you > look silly ? > > What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect. Then, > > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > > Loser. > Well you simple fuck, why don’t you stay in your mn and Canadian crappy > groups? > You are the same no matter where you go, upsetting the troops, having a bad > attitude and so on. > Must I post a link the piccie of your camel vagina face for all to see? Must > I post a link to your messages to you gay friends? > Must I post all the crap about you and your sorry ass old motorcycles and ve > hicles given to you by your ex-wife’s relatives because you cannot earn a > decent living? > Did you ever get a decent spell checker, or are you still claiming to be > brain damaged? > Face it, your a stupid fuk so leave the regs alone or I’ll have to start > dancing on your pinhead and messing with whatever mind you have left after > the last spnaking. > YEP! Your right, it is your Nemesis. And do not start on your little puppy > crap, I will show how you follow people around in the vain attempts to > occupy all that empty space between you BIG ears.

Well look what crawled out of the cesspit…     But thank you for demonstrating that you are still a sick little puppy trying to impress me.. The only one following people around here is you..     Too bad

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Poor runny.. > >     Why don’t you wipe your nose.. > > Too bad that only one here trying to pick a fight is you.. > > By the way, I can put your name in the header too… > > And while we’re at it.. > >     Weren’t you the twit who claimed that Zolan was my sock-puppet ? > > We’re still waiting for an explanation as to how posters from England > and > > the US can share an IP node… > > Or are you too busy enjoying your spanking to deal with FACTS that make > you > > look silly ? > > > What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > > > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > > > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > > > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor > has > > > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > > > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > > > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being > somehow > > > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > > > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > > > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect. > Then, > > > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > > > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > > > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > > > Loser. > Well you simple fuck, why don’t you stay in your mn and Canadian crappy > groups? > You are the same no matter where you go, upsetting the troops, having a > bad > attitude and so on. > Must I post a link the piccie of your camel vagina face for all to see? > Must > I post a link to your messages to you gay friends? > Must I post all the crap about you and your sorry ass old motorcycles and > ve > hicles given to you by your ex-wife’s relatives because you cannot earn a > decent living? > Did you ever get a decent spell checker, or are you still claiming to be > brain damaged? > Face it, your a stupid fuk so leave the regs alone or I’ll have to start > dancing on your pinhead and messing with whatever mind you have left after > the last spnaking. > YEP! Your right, it is your Nemesis. And do not start on your little puppy > crap, I will show how you follow people around in the vain attempts to > occupy all that empty space between you BIG ears. > Well look what crawled out of the cesspit… >     But thank you for demonstrating that you are still a sick little puppy > trying to impress me.. > The only one following people around here is you.. >     Too bad

What’s the matter, cat got your tongue again, did you start sputtering and muttering already? Yup! Bet you just got some giant skid marks in your panties. cesspit? WTF is that! You already freaking out with your spelling errors? Wanna take it up in the correct group you lAAmEr wAnnAbe? and leave these fine folks alone? Face it, you claim to be a mountie, a special forces guy (Canadian) and EMT in NY, a rocket scientist, a ladies man, etc.You are nothing short of a f00l! A tr0ll with 4eyes! y3t you still can’t spell right. Lets go for it in the right group you short little freak!

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Poor runny.. >     Why don’t you wipe your nose.. > Too bad that only one here trying to pick a fight is you.. > By the way, I can put your name in the header too… > And while we’re at it.. >     Weren’t you the twit who claimed that Zolan was my sock-puppet ? > We’re still waiting for an explanation as to how posters from England and > the US can share an IP node… > Or are you too busy enjoying your spanking to deal with FACTS that make you > look silly ? > What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect.   Then, > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > Loser.

Well you simple fuck, why don’t you stay in your mn and Canadian crappy groups? You are the same no matter where you go, upsetting the troops, having a bad attitude and so on. Must I post a link the piccie of your camel vagina face for all to see? Must I post a link to your messages to you gay friends? Must I post all the crap about you and your sorry ass old motorcycles and ve hicles given to you by your ex-wife’s relatives because you cannot earn a decent living? Did you ever get a decent spell checker, or are you still claiming to be brain damaged? Face it, your a stupid fuk so leave the regs alone or I’ll have to start dancing on your pinhead and messing with whatever mind you have left after the last spnaking. YEP! Your right, it is your Nemesis. And do not start on your little puppy crap, I will show how you follow people around in the vain attempts to occupy all that empty space between you BIG ears.

Response:

What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect.   Then, he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. Loser.

Response:

Poor runny..     Why don’t you wipe your nose.. Too bad that only one here trying to pick a fight is you.. By the way, I can put your name in the header too… And while we’re at it..     Weren’t you the twit who claimed that Zolan was my sock-puppet ? We’re still waiting for an explanation as to how posters from England and the US can share an IP node… Or are you too busy enjoying your spanking to deal with FACTS that make you look silly ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect.   Then, > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > Loser.

Response:

Let me me quote you runny…. == X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) == X-Accept-Language: en,pdf == MIME-Version: 1.0 == Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery == Xref: sn-us rec.sport.archery:30292 == == While I don’t have all that much experience or time as an archer, == I gather from listening to others that do and reading a lot, that: == ……<snip> Too bad your knowledge of usenet is even more limited that your knowledge of archery…. By the way, I have been on usenet a lot longer that you by quite a few yearsmore than your 2 years… But feel free to support your claims with EVIDENCE..     Until then you are nothing but a stupid little liar who doesn’t take to being spanked in public for being stupid…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect.   Then, > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > Loser.

Response:

LOSER. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Let me me quote you runny…. > == X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > == X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > == MIME-Version: 1.0 > == Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery > == Xref: sn-us rec.sport.archery:30292 > == > == While I don’t have all that much experience or time as an archer, > == I gather from listening to others that do and reading a lot, that: > == ……<snip> > Too bad your knowledge of usenet is even more limited that your knowledge of > archery…. > By the way, I have been on usenet a lot longer that you by quite a few > yearsmore than your 2 years… > But feel free to support your claims with EVIDENCE.. >     Until then you are nothing but a stupid little liar who doesn’t take to > being spanked in public for being stupid… > What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect.   Then, > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > Loser.

– TexARC publicize the sport of Archery! http://www.texasarchery.org Outgoing messages scanned for viruses by Nortons AV 2002

Response:

To be called a loser by a snivelling whiny weenie like you can only be a compliment..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LOSER. > Let me me quote you runny…. > == X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > == X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > == MIME-Version: 1.0 > == Newsgroups: rec.sport.archery > == Xref: sn-us rec.sport.archery:30292 > == > == While I don’t have all that much experience or time as an archer, > == I gather from listening to others that do and reading a lot, that: > == ……<snip> > Too bad your knowledge of usenet is even more limited that your knowledge of > archery…. > By the way, I have been on usenet a lot longer that you by quite a few > yearsmore than your 2 years… > But feel free to support your claims with EVIDENCE.. >     Until then you are nothing but a stupid little liar who doesn’t take to > being spanked in public for being stupid… > > What must someone like this sick Peter S. Saly be in real life?  He > > obviously is not an archer, and has no interest in archery, merely > > poses.  He must have to go from newsgroup to newsgroup, leaving each > > only when he has worn out his welcome and is no longer tolerated nor has > > any shred of credibility left.  He lurks a group for awhile, and picks > > up some nuances, enough so that he can continue being a POSER as he > > picks fights.    He tries to create an image of himself as being somehow > > autoritarian, in other words, worthy of respect, and each time he > > manages to convince all those in the newsgroup that he is > > inconveniencing that he is anything BUT worthy of their respect. Then, > > he moves on to another group in the broken record style of trying to > > achieve self-worth and self validation, only to fail each time. > > No matter.   Up here we know him for what he is. > > Loser. > — > TexARC > publicize the sport of Archery! > http://www.texasarchery.org > Outgoing messages scanned for viruses by Nortons AV 2002

Response:

Custom Crests

Question:

I wonder if there would be any demand for custom self adhesive crests? I made some for myself and my son and they were admired in our  archery club, but I wonder if there is a wider market. — Marc.

Response:

Automotive striping tape. — John Dickmon http://www.benefit4kids.org http://www.sportsmenagainsthunger.org http://pathwai.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wonder if there would be any demand for custom self adhesive crests? I > made some for myself and my son and they were admired in our  archery > club, but I wonder if there is a wider market. > — > Marc.

Response:

> Automotive striping tape.

Must be a new sort of tape that I haven’t seen that can include your name? — Marc.

Response:

Sharpie marker? Bohning also has a self adhesive gizmo that, when applied to the arrow shaft, looks like a cap dip and a crest. E-Z Crest I think they are called? Seriously though, I’ve seen a lot of people use pin striping tape to crest arrows. Not sure how good fletching glue sticks to it though. — John Dickmon http://www.benefit4kids.org http://www.sportsmenagainsthunger.org http://pathwai.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Automotive striping tape. > Must be a new sort of tape that I haven’t seen that can include your > name? > — > Marc.

Response:

It appears you may be alittle too late with your idea, they are already in the market as eze-crest. Check out eze-eye.com for more info. Graeme.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wonder if there would be any demand for custom self adhesive crests? I > made some for myself and my son and they were admired in our  archery > club, but I wonder if there is a wider market. > — > Marc.

Response:

> It appears you may be alittle too late with your idea, they are already in > the market as eze-crest.

I was thinking more of something like this http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/JEMSPORTS.html — Marc.

Response:

Arrows Again…

Question:

James Bingham’s dad just helps me out really, I ment to say that he who helps me out is the coach of James Bingham and also his dad and why does Ian Crowther have to come into things? I’m leaving this newsgroup immediately as some people are helpful others just come back with smart comments and insults.

Response:

THE price one pays when posting a question to people around the world, asking these people for  FREE advice, David, is that you will get diverse viewpoints. I just reviewed the thread of responses to your rather weakly composed message.   THe vast majority of respondees tried to offer helpful information – one or two were rather pointed in the questions they posed in response, but FREE advice is what you asked for. Don’t complain when you get it, and don’t like some of the answers<G>.  (Some people up here are still testy from a nasty non-archery thread awhile back, I think….) And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do. > James Bingham’s dad just helps me out really, I ment to say that he who > helps me out is the coach of James Bingham and also his dad and why does Ian > Crowther have to come into things? > I’m leaving this newsgroup immediately as some people are helpful others > just come back with smart comments and insults.

– ARC in  Lago Vista, TX Newton died, Einstein died, and I’m not felling well…

Response:

>And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from >the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here >and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do.

YES, that is Usenet!! — Sven

Response:

Q: How many usenet users does it take to change a light bulb? A:  Shut up you *sshole, the light’s not burned out, you’re just blind. OR A: 1,331:      1   to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed     14  to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.      7   to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.     27  to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.     53 to flame the spell checkers    156  to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this         mail list.     41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.    109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb    203  to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be         stopped.    111  to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to         this mail list.    306  to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light         bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty.     27  to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs     14  to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs.      3   to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this         list.     33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."     12  to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.     19   to quote the "Me Too’s" to say, "Me Three."      4   to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.      1   to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.     47   to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here.    143  votes for alt.lite.bulb. >And don’t LEAVE unless you are certain that there is nothing you can learn from >the archers up here.   And if you already know EVERYTHING, then PLEASE stay here >and try and help others.  It’s the mature thing to do. > YES, that is Usenet!! > — > Sven

– ARC in  Lago Vista, TX A hen is an egg’s way of making another egg.

Response:

Groups spread horizontally – new bow

Question:

After 7 years with a Golden Eagle Formula compound, I have switched to a G.E. Splitfire 1 with E kit. My groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide. Did not have this problem with old bow. I shoot a release and a red-dot sight, trying a sling lately to try to eliminate handle torque. Any thoughts on how to improve left to right dispersion?? — Len Backus www.AndrewHomes.com

Response:

>After 7 years with a Golden Eagle Formula compound, I have switched to a >G.E. Splitfire 1 with E kit. My groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom >at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide. Did not have this problem with >old bow. >I shoot a release and a red-dot sight, trying a sling lately to try to >eliminate handle torque. >Any thoughts on how to improve left to right dispersion??

Do they always group to one side of where your aiming?  If so it might be a center shot/fletch clearance problem.  If not, I would suspect your arrows are not spined corectly.  What is the draw weight and shaft size? Heath Phillippi Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Peter II 3:3-4 First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation." Corinthians II 11:3-4  But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.  For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough. *****LEGAL NOTICE TO ALL BULK E-MAILERS***** NOTICE TO BULK EMAILERS:  Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,  Subchapter II,  227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

Response:

I had a similar problem with horizontal spread.  Turned out the prongs on my shoot through rest were set too far apart.  Once I got them under the arrow, the problem went away.

Response:

Raise your rest…. you can see an example of this tune problem on our site. In the technical area. — Welcome to the World of Archery – Mississippi Style! Mississippi Bowhunters & Archery Organization http://www.Mississippi-Bowhunters.com The Internets Leading Archery ONLY Organizational Site

Response:

Raise your rest…. you can see an example of this tune problem on our site. In the technical area. http://www.mississippi-bowhunters.com — Welcome to the World of Archery – Mississippi Style! Mississippi Bowhunters & Archery Organization http://www.Mississippi-Bowhunters.com The Internets Leading Archery ONLY Organizational Site

Response:

: After 7 years with a Golden Eagle Formula compound, I have switched to a : G.E. Splitfire 1 with E kit. My groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom : at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide. Did not have this problem with : old bow. : : I shoot a release and a red-dot sight, trying a sling lately to try to : eliminate handle torque. : : Any thoughts on how to improve left to right dispersion?? : — : Len Backus : www.AndrewHomes.com : Check your grip.  Torquing is an easy to miss problem with a new bow.

Response:

I suspect it is your anchor point.  Also check each time you shoot to see if you are canting your bow left or right.  That would move your pin left or right and consequently your point of impact.

(snip) > My groups ….(snip)…… often are 5 to 7 inches wide. (snip) >I shoot a release and a red-dot sight, trying a sling lately to try to >eliminate handle torque. >– >Len Backus >www.AndrewHomes.com

The means is greater than the end, and every good hunter knows this.    * remove .nospam from reply address to email. *

Response:

There is no easy answer to your prolem but my sugestions would be as follows: 1) If your bow has a fixed distance cable guard package it up and send it back because at short draw lengths it will torque you to death. 2) If the bow has an ajustable cable guard and you have not adjusted it yet do so by rotating it toward the grip as close as you can and still give vane clearance. 3) Check your arrow spine. If you are shooting acc’s then you should be shooting at least one size smaller than the charts call for to get consistant arrow flight. 4) If you have a split limb bow measure the axle to axle length on both sides and if its not within an eighth inch send the bow back. All of these suggestions are assuming you have correct center shot and unnderstand about keeping everything in the center of the peep. — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

Response:

ROFLMAO…why not take a couple of twist on the harness…on the proper side of the yoke…send it back  hehehehehe > 4) If you have a split limb bow measure the axle to axle length on both > sides and if its not within an eighth inch send the bow back.

– We don’t harvest Deer…we kill them. Then we EAT them. Never take more than you can EAT. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Response:

>GMy groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom >at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide.

gripping the bow handle to tightly poor string alignment or not centering the peep canting the bow left and right peeking …. trying to see how that new bow shoots

Response:

And if you are doing everything correctly, hand torque.  Have you put a torque arresting counter balance on yet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->GMy groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom >at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide. >gripping the bow handle to tightly >poor string alignment or not centering the peep >canting the bow left and right >peeking …. trying to see how that new bow shoots

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And if you are doing everything correctly, hand torque.  Have you put a >torque arresting counter balance on yet? >>GMy groups are only 1 to 2 inches top to bottom >>at 27 yds, but often are 5 to 7 inches wide. >gripping the bow handle to tightly >poor string alignment or not centering the peep >canting the bow left and right >peeking …. trying to see how that new bow shoots

For what it’s worth, I had exactly the same problem a few weeks ago. I discovered that I wasn’t getting enough back tension, which was causing my bow shoulder to lift and my bow arm to over-extend. On release, my bow arm moved left to a variable extent giving widely spread groups just like you mention. You could clearly see the long rod waving around as the arrow left the bow….. Cure was to conciously keep back tension on and make sure the shoulder didn’t lift. Results were exceptional – bumped my previous pb on a compound Albion round up from 910 (ex 974) to 954. — Gordon Brown Acoustics Enthusiast, ex-eater of T-bone steaks & oxtail stew, ex-drinker of untreated milk, ex-owner of several very nice target pistols, living in cloud cuckoo land…where I’m now told that my blood plasma is unfit for medical use, as will be that of any Yanks or Cannucks who dare to visit these septic isles

Response:

Martin Fury vs. Hoyt Viper!!

Question:

A buddy of mine runs a archery shop and is a Hoyt dealer he got this new viper in and I have a 96 Martin Fury we shot through the chronograph and we measured weight of the bow measured the draw length and the whole 9 ytds everthing was the same my fury shot 318fps and this new viper that was supposed to be faster shot 295 and we shot a dozen times and still the fury was much faster needless to say i left with a real big smile!! Regaurds Brian

Response:

Just curious .. did you shoot the same arrows?  Was EVERYTHIGN except the bow different?  Like was even the rest the same?  The release was same? Did you change bow between friends?  DId each of you shoot each shot? Although things like a release, rest, sight, etc. everything you think wouldn’t affect speed shouldn’t affect the speed of the bow, it might make a difference.  I’d say really to make sure everything was even, the bows were bare, exact same poundage, same tiller if possible and brace height, u both use the same arrows, and u both shoot each of the bows. Han Su Kim

Response:

> A buddy of mine runs a archery shop and is a Hoyt dealer he got this new viper > in and I have a 96 Martin Fury we shot through the chronograph and we measured > weight of the bow measured the draw length and the whole 9 ytds everthing was > the same my fury shot 318fps and this new viper that was supposed to be faster > shot 295 and we shot a dozen times and still the fury was much faster needless > to say i left with a real big smile!! > Regaurds Brian

This is just my 2 cents worth, but I had to reply because I shoot for Hoyt. I have a 99 Viper with the Redline H.O. setup on it. I set my bow at 66 pounds and I have a 29" draw length. Shawn

Response:

>A buddy of mine runs a archery shop and is a Hoyt dealer he got this new viper >in and I have a 96 Martin Fury we shot through the chronograph and we measured >weight of the bow measured the draw length and the whole 9 ytds everthing was >the same my fury shot 318fps and this new viper that was supposed to be faster >shot 295 and we shot a dozen times and still the fury was much faster needless >to say i left with a real big smile!! >Regaurds Brian

You have to consider, that viper was a new bow. I guess, you have been trimming the fury, for best results. If you would do the same with the viper its speed would increase. Tonny

Response:

 This is for Shawn, Shawn I was wondering how forgiving your viper is I’ve been looking at them and trying to decide on it or not. I realize with a 51/2" brace height it can’t be to forgiving but would like an honest opinion on how it shoots and acts. Rick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A buddy of mine runs a archery shop and is a Hoyt dealer he got this new viper > in and I have a 96 Martin Fury we shot through the chronograph and we measured > weight of the bow measured the draw length and the whole 9 ytds everthing was > the same my fury shot 318fps and this new viper that was supposed to be faster > shot 295 and we shot a dozen times and still the fury was much faster needless > to say i left with a real big smile!! > Regaurds Brian > This is just my 2 cents worth, but I had to reply because I shoot for > Hoyt. > I have a 99 Viper with the Redline H.O. setup on it. > I set my bow at 66 pounds and I have a 29" draw length. > Shawn

Response:

MARTINs Tri Draw Flight wheels

Question:

Hi ALL, anybody out there who shoot a Firecat or a Scepter with this system? Is it possible to get a drawstop for it? — Bye, Sven

Response:

: anybody out there who shoot a Firecat or a Scepter : with this system? : Is it possible to get a drawstop for it? I have a Scepter with the flite wheels and tried all sorts of things to put a draw stop on it. Note of my attempts were successful. Someone suggested  a compound clicker (that worked by placing two stops on your cables and clicked when they came together) but I was unable to purchase such a thing in the USA, perhaps you might be luckier than I. The lack of a definite stop wasn’t so bad indoors, but resulted in inconsistant arrows outdoors. I guess if my form where better (more consistant draw length) this wouldn’t be a problem. I called Martin and they suggested changing to Fury cams, since they had a very sharp/hard wall. Please let me know if you find a solution.        Marty Sasaki

Response:

>I called Martin and they suggested changing to Fury cams, since they >had a very sharp/hard wall.

That is for my Scepter NOT possible, cause I shoot it with XR wooden recurve limbs. Some weeks ago, on a tournament, I saw a shooter with a Firecat, with the same cable and wheels system. He had 2 small pieces of metal. Every piece was set at one cable. At that point where he want that the draw stops, the metal pieces came together and  blocked the draw. I think that was a draw stop. I did  not ask him, cause at that time I had not the Scepter yet. You know what that could be? I never saw it before and never again. If someone knows it, please tell me and tell me where and how to get it. Thanks, — Bye, Sven

Response:

: >I called Martin and they suggested changing to Fury cams, since they : >had a very sharp/hard wall. : That is for my Scepter NOT possible, cause I shoot it with : XR wooden recurve limbs. I have the XR limbs too. This means getting the limbs, and the cams. Too much money… : Some weeks ago, on a tournament, I saw a shooter with : a Firecat, with the same cable and wheels system. : He had 2 small pieces of metal. Every piece was set at one : cable. At that point where he want that the draw stops, : the metal pieces came together and  blocked the draw. I tried the plastic draw stops, but they would not stay in place. I didn’t want to glue them to the cables. Maybe more desparate measures are necessary.     Marty Sasaki

Response:

HI Sven, I tried the draw stops on my Scepter and they worked as long as you didn’t try to pull through too hard. The problem was that no matter how hard you tightened them they slipped on the metal cable ’s plastic covering. If you want to try them look in the 98/99 Quicks catalogue on page 59 item MA51. or look ot their on-line site at www.quicks.com In the end I switched over to Kudlacheck cams and found them excellent with definite speed increase, smoothdraw and positive stop. Give Don a ring and he would make you up a set complete with cables. Best of luck either way. Trev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi ALL, >anybody out there who shoot a Firecat or a Scepter >with this system? >Is it possible to get a drawstop for it? >– >Bye, >Sven

Response:

>In the end I switched over to Kudlacheck cams and found them excellent with >definite speed increase, smoothdraw and positive stop. Give Don a ring and >he would make you up a set complete with cables.

Hm, to cams? Witch kind of limbs? I shoot my Scepter with wooden XR limbs. Is it possible to change to cams? Who is Don? — Bye, Sven

Response:

Hoyt follow-up question

Question:

I have second hand experience of quality. A close friend of mine bought an Avalon in the states and when he got it back to the UK found the top limb to be bent (in directions it should not be!). He contacted Hoyt who arranged for the limbs to be changed by a UK dealer, Quick’s I think, with minimum fuss. New limbs are perfect. Okay, it’s probably a good idea to check before you buy, but what I’m saying is that the backup is there if you do have a problem. One thing though, apparently this warranty is void if the bow is bought by mail order, watch out! Danny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I posted a question recently about the GM and Elan models, and I want to thank > everybody that responded.  Two follow-up questions howver, > 1)  Assuming all else equal, what are the performance/practical ramifications > of the supposedly "stiffer" Elan riser? > 2) Any thoughts on Hoyt quality? Any issues/concerns I should be aware of? > Thanks again! > SD

Response:

>Let’s continue the ISSUES not personal attacks at hand >As for Hoyt quality, I think it’s second to none on the FITA style recurve >market.

Hoyt is the market leader  by far as to quality I am not sure. >My GM was made in 1993 and it’s still in great shape.  The LIMBS >are also from 1993 and really they work great also and trust me this bow has >been through some abuse.  

Very possible depends on the number of arrows you shot with it, depends on the drawweight too >I’ve never really heard of a GM crack ever,

I have seen twice the broken bits of such a handlle, hoyt did replace them without questions. Acknowledged the problem by producing a reinforced handle (in the front of the grip mainly) GM+. >I’ve heard of some Avalons and Radians cracking.  Ever since though the >Avalon Plus and Elan though I haven’t heard a thing about cracks or >anything.

On that I must agree, the problem is that it took hoyt some trials and error before getting the things rights, and trials seems to be done by the custommers an not RD department.. Maybe it comes with the machining of the risers : very cheap to launch a new desig, but do not destroy the brand by sloppy products. The main quality problem is the finish of the limbs I consider it gross to have to finish the tips of the limbs with sand paper because it is cutting the string.. As I did on my carbon plus limbs (troublefree on every other aspects) Maybe acceptable on a 40$ bow not on a 300$ pair of limbs. As for performance some recently came in : Pse has cheaper limbs better looking, a new brad call WIN and WIN has another hoyt compatible pruduct that I would try. That’s what I would buy now.But not hoyt’s they are becomming overpriced. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well enough of my babble … that’s my thoughts. >Han Su Kim

Response:

I posted a question recently about the GM and Elan models, and I want to thank everybody that responded.  Two follow-up questions howver, 1)  Assuming all else equal, what are the performance/practical ramifications of the supposedly "stiffer" Elan riser? 2) Any thoughts on Hoyt quality? Any issues/concerns I should be aware of? Thanks again! SD

Response:

Let’s continue the ISSUES not personal attacks at hand The Elan is more than double the price of a GM.  You should shoot both with the same limbs (I would recomend Carbon+ or a good set of Carbon limbs) and really see what you like.  In reality, the bow riser doesn’t cost you as much as a set of limbs can run.  You can always keep the same riser but you can easily grow out of a set of limbs.  I’m about to test shoot an Elan soon and see if it’s worth it for me to buy and give up my GM, which I love a lot, but hey I like buying the new fun stuff (part of why archery is so much fun).  I’m also getting a fantastic deal on a used Elan so I’ll see if I like it or not. As for Hoyt quality, I think it’s second to none on the FITA style recurve market.  My GM was made in 1993 and it’s still in great shape.  The LIMBS are also from 1993 and really they work great also and trust me this bow has been through some abuse.  I’ve never really heard of a GM crack ever, and I’ve heard of some Avalons and Radians cracking.  Ever since though the Avalon Plus and Elan though I haven’t heard a thing about cracks or anything.  PSE, some people joke, stand for Point Shoot Explode (but I’ve only heard of PSE’s cracking, never acutalyl seen one) and PSE has that new lineup with the Sierra as their base level and the new Intrepid which sounds pretty sweet.  The Zone I always like, and I still want to shoot one if I could afford one.  Sky’s Conquest is an AWESOME bow.  The TOP Shooter in my club, Guy Gering, who shot for the National team, shoots one and damn I’ve never seen anyone who can nail so many Xs in practice in my life, BLINDFOLDED. Well enough of my babble … that’s my thoughts. Han Su Kim

Response:

river cane for making arrows

Question:

I need any info.such as proper name and how to go about preparing to make arrow shafts. We have cane in east texas but I don’t know if is the right kind.Any help app. Thanks (bkwrm)

Response:

> I need any info.such as proper name and how to go about preparing to > make arrow shafts. We have cane in east texas but I don’t know if is the > right kind.Any help app.

Jimmy, I was in Willliamsburg VA in August and saw the Jamestown reconstruction. I was quite interested in the arrows that the Indians of that area made. They used river cane which has hollow segments like bamboo. Turkey fletching (3) were tied on with sinew and the self-nocks were V cuts reinforced with wraps of sinew. The business end of the arrow shaft was just the hollow open end wrapped with sinew. Arrow heads of flint and obsidian of various sizes and shapes were prepared and tied to tapered pegs. These adapt-a-points were fitted to the arrow as the game presented itself on the hunt. This way, the hunter need only have a few shafts which were time consuming to make and still be prepared for large and small game. The shafts could also be pulled out of the downed animal without damage and reused immediately. I found this quite facinating. As to your original question about using the cane available in your area, why not make a few arrows and see if they shoot well. If it’s strong and straight enough should be fine.  I’m sure that’s what native peoples of all areas did. Ed K.

Response:

Look up primitive archer magazine. Check my web page if you can not find it. http://members.aol.com/archeryrob/index.htm

Response:

backstop

Question:

We are starting up a range and would like input on the different backstops that other ranges and clubs are using .  Some of the ranges I have been to have homemade backstops that work well. If anybody has any ideas or

Response:

>We are starting up a range and would like input on the different backstops >that other ranges and clubs are using .  Some of the ranges I have been to >have homemade backstops that work well. If anybody has any ideas or

Our Issac Walton League uses ‘excelsior’ (sp), bailed up wood shavings as a backstop.  It stops arrows very well.  They stack up the bales and frame them on the sides and bottom and put a tarpaper roof on top and it works pretty good.  At the bottom, they put a triple layer of tarpaper to keep lowflying arrows from going underneath.  Sometimes the arrows get stuck in the wood frames, but only if you miss.  The whole thing works pretty well and we’ve been doing this for alot of years.         Bless,                 the Rev.

Response:

Stupid question: What stops the shavings from falling out after a large number of shots have struck the bail?

Response:

> We are starting up a range and would like input on the different backstops > that other ranges and clubs are using .  Some of the ranges I have been to > have homemade backstops that work well. If anybody has any ideas or

The archery club that I belong to uses carpet.  It may not look the greatest but it really works.  What we have done is to take 2 poles and stand them up on either side of the target about 5 yards behind it. Then we streatched a piece of cable between them.  then we draped the carpet over the cable.  the back stop is about 10 feet tall.  We use about 2 to 3 layers of carpet.  You should be able to find used carpet by going to carpet stores and tell them what you are looking for.  Most places would be willing to just give it to you.  Because they have to pay to get rid of the carpet when they take it out of houses.  The backstops last for about 2 to 3 years before the carpet has to be changed.  It has stoped carbons shot out of a 70lb recurve at 25 yards.

Response:

?point blank?

Question:

In another group somebody posted: Adrian Eliot Hodgkin in his book The Archer’s Craft writes: "All I can say with assurance is that the bows I make for myself, according to the methods given here, WEIGH ABOUT 60 lb. and have a point blank-range of SEVENTY-ODD YARDS with birch arrows and SEVENTY TO EIGHTY YARDS with bamboos. By ‘point-blank’ I mean that that range at which the center of the target will be hit when aim is taken in such a way that the arrowhead seems to rest on that center." I don’t have access to the Archer’s Craft so I would like to ask a couple of questions… 1) please explain in words of one sylable what the above paragraph    means. 2) Does the book talk about how frequently Mr. Hodgkin practices? 3) Does anyone here know of anyone who can fairly consistantly    hit bullseyes at 70 yards? Thank you for your time and trouble. Robert

Response:

I’ll try ;-> When I am set up with my longbow, the easiest way to aim (no sights) is to place the point of the arrow on the bullseye and let fly. With my setup, I hit home at around 40 yards. With the authors, the figures he gave. How often do I (or he) actually HIT the bullseye at that range !? Another question entirely ;-> RW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Adrian Eliot Hodgkin in his book The Archer’s Craft writes: >"All I can say with assurance is that the bows I make for myself, >according to the methods given here, WEIGH ABOUT 60 lb. and have a >point blank-range of SEVENTY-ODD YARDS with birch arrows and SEVENTY >TO EIGHTY YARDS with bamboos. By ‘point-blank’ I mean that that range >at which the center of the target will be hit when aim is taken in >such a way that the arrowhead seems to rest on that center."

Response:

The origin of the phrase point blanc is the distance at which the point of the arrow is aimed on the target at full draw to hit the target. With an under the chin reference (anchor) it will be around 60-70yds. At lesser distances the pont of the arrow will be aimed under the target (blanc) At longer distances the point of the arrow will be over the target. Some how the gun shooters have taken the phrase to mean shooting at short range. We shoot for golds not bullseyes, it is not difficult to get 4 or 5 out of 6 in the gold, with the other 1 or 2 in the red at 60 yds.

Response:

>The origin of the phrase point blanc is the distance at which the point of the >arrow is aimed on the target at full draw to hit the target. With an under the >chin reference (anchor) it will be around 60-70yds. At lesser distances the >pont of the arrow will be aimed under the target (blanc) At longer distances >the point of the arrow will be over the target. Some how the gun shooters have >taken the phrase to mean shooting at short range.

Thank you very much. >We shoot for golds not bullseyes, it is not difficult to get 4 or 5 out of 6 in >the gold, with the other 1 or 2 in the red at 60 yds.

If you would be so kind… Using modern bows I assume? How much practice is assumed here? What is the diameter of the gold? Thanks again for the input. Robert

Response:

I haven’t read Hodgkin’s book either,  but I’m pretty sure what he is discussing is gap shooting.  When he draws the bow back to his anchor point, he then uses the tip of the arrow as an aiming point.  Seventy – eighty yards is quite far, especially for a selfbow, so I would assume he uses a low anchor point, probably something like just below his jaw and possibly as far back as his ear?  And no, I doubt Eliot Hodgin was able to hit CONSISTANT bullseye at those distances.  That is a diffiucult challenge for most sight shooters; however, I’m sure Hodgking was able to establish a grouping in and around the bullseye and thus was able to determine what his point-on distance was for his style of shooting. Stuart Ware

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > In another group somebody posted: > Adrian Eliot Hodgkin in his book The Archer’s Craft writes: > "All I can say with assurance is that the bows I make for myself, > according to the methods given here, WEIGH ABOUT 60 lb. and have a > point blank-range of SEVENTY-ODD YARDS with birch arrows and SEVENTY > TO EIGHTY YARDS with bamboos. By ‘point-blank’ I mean that that range > at which the center of the target will be hit when aim is taken in > such a way that the arrowhead seems to rest on that center." > I don’t have access to the Archer’s Craft so I would like to ask > a couple of questions… > 1) please explain in words of one sylable what the above paragraph >    means.

Draw the bow, line the point of the arrow up with the gold, the point blank range is the distance at which the arrow hits the gold given the above aim. > 2) Does the book talk about how frequently Mr. Hodgkin practices?

sorry I have not seen the book > 3) Does anyone here know of anyone who can fairly consistantly >    hit bullseyes at 70 yards?

Yes, I know at least one shooter (Olympic recurve) who can regularly hit the gold at 70 yards > Thank you for your time and trouble. > Robert

danny www http://euler.ntu.ac.uk/dk/dk.html

Response:

snip > Some how the gun shooters have > taken the phrase to mean shooting at short range.

It also has another meaning. When siting in a rifle, the point blank range is the distance which the bullet travels and does not rise or fall beyond a set measurement. For example, i site my .270 (actually my wife’s) in with zero at approx. 230 yds (if i can remember that is about 2 in. high at 100 yards with 130 grain bullets). The rise of the bullet is about 3.5 in. at 150 yds (approx.) and 4 in low at 280 yds. Theoretically my point blank range is 280 yds., which means that for a deer sized animal i do not have to aim high or low out to 280 yds (aim at the center of the chest and there is 4 in. above and 4 in. below of lung and heart). For small deer and antilope the range would have to be shortened (and the gun resighted) to give 3 in. high and low, and for larger game (moose, elk with a heavier bullet) it may be possible to go to +- 5 or 6 in. Using the point blank range takes a lot of worry out of range estimation at reasonalble distances. Of course you have to be able to see that far, but on the prarries and in the west that is a real possibility (also across fields).         Point blank range (this definition) may not be practical for archery but the methodology may be used to get rid of one or two site pins (say range 0 – 25 yds, 25 – 30 yds etc.) I can’t say much here, i shoot instinctively and have no concept of site pin dynamics (even when i did shoot with a site pin i used only one set at 20 yds, but how quickly we forget). Ray

Response: