Archery Gear Customer Service?

Question:

I’m just getting back into archery, and I got a new bow in December. It’s a PSE compound, and it’s great.  However, I’ve been having problems with some of the accessories.  Not a big deal, except emailing the manufacturers has been met with deafening silence. I have a Golden Premier rest, and I discovered that the ‘windage’ lock screw interferes with the tension lock screw in the top position.  I assume one or both of the screws is overly long, and I was wondering how to deal with this.  I sent them an email 2 days ago, and haven’t heard a peep. I also bought (at considerable expense) a Tru-Ball Chappy Boss release.   It was great in the shop & when I first started shooting with it.  It started feeling like the release tension was erratic, and I emailed them about a week ago.  Silence.  I did some more tests & discovered it only happens when it’s been warmed up by my hand.  I sent them this additional info two days ago.  More silence. I’m willing to wait a few more days to see if I ever get an answer out of either company before I go to the phone & demand a response.  Maybe I’m used to dealing with outfits that check their email more than once a week, or that seem genuinely interested in customer satisfaction, but I’m more than a bit disappointed that two of the big names in archery hardware don’t seem more responsive. Has anyone out there successfully dealt with customer service at either Golden Key or Tru-Ball?  Is everyone on vacation now that hunting season is over?  Am I being unreasonable, or are either or both of these companies notorious for lousy service?  I’m just hoping this isn’t the norm with archery manufacturers. Doug White

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m just getting back into archery, and I got a new bow in December. It’s >a PSE compound, and it’s great.  However, I’ve been having problems with >some of the accessories.  Not a big deal, except emailing the >manufacturers has been met with deafening silence. >I have a Golden Premier rest, and I discovered that the ‘windage’ lock >screw interferes with the tension lock screw in the top position.  I >assume one or both of the screws is overly long, and I was wondering how >to deal with this.  I sent them an email 2 days ago, and haven’t heard a >peep. >I also bought (at considerable expense) a Tru-Ball Chappy Boss release.   >It was great in the shop & when I first started shooting with it.  It >started feeling like the release tension was erratic, and I emailed them >about a week ago.  Silence.  I did some more tests & discovered it only >happens when it’s been warmed up by my hand.  I sent them this additional >info two days ago.  More silence. >I’m willing to wait a few more days to see if I ever get an answer out of >either company before I go to the phone & demand a response.  Maybe I’m >used to dealing with outfits that check their email more than once a >week, or that seem genuinely interested in customer satisfaction, but I’m >more than a bit disappointed that two of the big names in archery >hardware don’t seem more responsive. >Has anyone out there successfully dealt with customer service at either >Golden Key or Tru-Ball?  Is everyone on vacation now that hunting season >is over?  Am I being unreasonable, or are either or both of these >companies notorious for lousy service?  I’m just hoping this isn’t the >norm with archery manufacturers.

Your best bet is to work with the dealer you bought your equipment from. Alex     __O        _-<,_       (_)/ (_)

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Keywords: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m just getting back into archery, and I got a new bow in December. It’s >a PSE compound, and it’s great.  However, I’ve been having problems with >some of the accessories.  Not a big deal, except emailing the >manufacturers has been met with deafening silence. >I have a Golden Premier rest, and I discovered that the ‘windage’ lock >screw interferes with the tension lock screw in the top position.  I >assume one or both of the screws is overly long, and I was wondering how >to deal with this.  I sent them an email 2 days ago, and haven’t heard a >peep. >I also bought (at considerable expense) a Tru-Ball Chappy Boss release.   >It was great in the shop & when I first started shooting with it.  It >started feeling like the release tension was erratic, and I emailed them >about a week ago.  Silence.  I did some more tests & discovered it only >happens when it’s been warmed up by my hand.  I sent them this additional >info two days ago.  More silence. >I’m willing to wait a few more days to see if I ever get an answer out of >either company before I go to the phone & demand a response.  Maybe I’m >used to dealing with outfits that check their email more than once a >week, or that seem genuinely interested in customer satisfaction, but I’m >more than a bit disappointed that two of the big names in archery >hardware don’t seem more responsive. >Has anyone out there successfully dealt with customer service at either >Golden Key or Tru-Ball?  Is everyone on vacation now that hunting season >is over?  Am I being unreasonable, or are either or both of these >companies notorious for lousy service?  I’m just hoping this isn’t the >norm with archery manufacturers. >Your best bet is to work with the dealer you bought your equipment from.

The dealer (although very good), is quite a ways away.  The last time I drove there thru evening traffic it took two hours.  I can’t run down there every time I have a small problem.  In the case of the rest, I can fix it myself if they’d just tell me what the correct screw lengths are. I still haven’t heard a peep from anyone.  I tried emailing three other archery vendors (Sure-Loc, Taxonics & Feather Light) with questions about their products this morning & I’ll be curious if I ever get a response from them.  At least there’s a potential sale on the line there, as opposed to a problem with a sale where they’ve already got money in the bank. Doug White

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Keywords: >>I’m just getting back into archery, and I got a new bow in December. It’s >>a PSE compound, and it’s great.  However, I’ve been having problems with >>some of the accessories.  Not a big deal, except emailing the >>manufacturers has been met with deafening silence. >>I have a Golden Premier rest, and I discovered that the ‘windage’ lock >>screw interferes with the tension lock screw in the top position.  I >>assume one or both of the screws is overly long, and I was wondering how >>to deal with this.  I sent them an email 2 days ago, and haven’t heard a >>peep. >>I also bought (at considerable expense) a Tru-Ball Chappy Boss release. >>It was great in the shop & when I first started shooting with it.  It >>started feeling like the release tension was erratic, and I emailed them >>about a week ago.  Silence.  I did some more tests & discovered it only >>happens when it’s been warmed up by my hand.  I sent them this additional >>info two days ago.  More silence. >>I’m willing to wait a few more days to see if I ever get an answer out of >>either company before I go to the phone & demand a response.  Maybe I’m >>used to dealing with outfits that check their email more than once a >>week, or that seem genuinely interested in customer satisfaction, but I’m >>more than a bit disappointed that two of the big names in archery >>hardware don’t seem more responsive. >>Has anyone out there successfully dealt with customer service at either >>Golden Key or Tru-Ball?  Is everyone on vacation now that hunting season >>is over?  Am I being unreasonable, or are either or both of these >>companies notorious for lousy service?  I’m just hoping this isn’t the >>norm with archery manufacturers. >Your best bet is to work with the dealer you bought your equipment from. > The dealer (although very good), is quite a ways away.  The last time I > drove there thru evening traffic it took two hours.  I can’t run down > there every time I have a small problem.  In the case of the rest, I can > fix it myself if they’d just tell me what the correct screw lengths are. > I still haven’t heard a peep from anyone.  I tried emailing three other > archery vendors (Sure-Loc, Taxonics & Feather Light) with questions about > their products this morning & I’ll be curious if I ever get a response > from them.  At least there’s a potential sale on the line there, as > opposed to a problem with a sale where they’ve already got money in the > bank. > Doug White

I must say that Golden Key not getting back to yous a bit odd.  When I needed the instructions for the premier rest(bought second hand) I sent them an email and got the reply 4 mins later and thats the fastest reply I’ve ever had.  The manual was  free of charge and sent Airmail from the US to GB. Chris

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> I must say that Golden Key not getting back to yous a bit odd.  When I > needed the instructions for the premier rest(bought second hand) I sent them > an email and got the reply 4 mins later and thats the fastest reply I’ve > ever had.  The manual was  free of charge and sent Airmail from the US to

I’ve had EXCELLENT customer service via e-mail from Golden Key Futura.  That said, I don’t expect much from any company when I use e-mail to communicate. Pick up the phone and I’ll bet you’ll get the service you need. Good shooting, Bob —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Can you shoot from a bench rest???

Question:

Is it possible to shoot a bow off some kind of rest?  I am new to archery and I have been sighting in my bow.  I shoot a PSE Whitetail Extreme compound bow with a 29 inch draw and 62lb draw weight. I am consistently shooting quarter-sized groups at 10 and 15 yards, 3 inch or less groups at 20 yards and 6 inch groups at 25 and 30 yards.  All of my shots are dead on on the vertical plane, and my 10, 15 and 20 yard shots are centered pretty well horizontally, with the 20 yard groups drifting slightly to the left.  My 25 and 30 yard shots are drifting further still to the right, but still within 4 to 6 inches of dead center. Before I tap my sight to the left to eliminate the drift, I want to see how much of the drift is the sight and how much is me, whether it be bad aim or bad form.  So, is it possible to shoot the bow from some sort of rest so as to aim precisely at the target without any movement up or down, or side to side?  If so, how do you do it? Thanks in advance. BTW, I am plenty happy with the way it shoots for hunting purposes, as I doubt I will ever take a shot over 20 yards, but for target shooting (which I am really enjoying), I’d like to hit them long and short. Keith

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>Is it possible to shoot a bow off some kind of rest?

http://www.spot-hogg.com/HooterShooter.html

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>  I am new to archery > and I have been sighting in my bow.

Do a search on "bow tuning", it is the art of making sure your arrow flys straight.  You eliminate the fishtailing and porposining of the arrow so that it flys perfectly straight and that will likely take care of your arrows hitting right or left a different distances.  It basically involves moving the nock set up or down to eliminate porposing, and the rest in or out to eliminate fish tailing.  When correctly tuned your arrow should look to be flying "straight as an arrow". A bow needs to be tuned for the shooter.  So shooting off a bench rest would only be a mental exercise.  It would not help you tune the bow for you. Henry

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> Is it possible to shoot a bow off some kind of rest?  I am new to archery > and I have been sighting in my bow.  I shoot a PSE Whitetail Extreme > compound bow with a 29 inch draw and 62lb draw weight.

Try to lower the pondage if you are new for indoors you need only 45 to 50 # some girls shoot 35# and they hit X > to the left.  My 25 and 30 yard shots are drifting further still to the > right, but still within 4 to 6 inches of dead center.

In time some guys make 1" 2" groups at 50 yard > Before I tap my sight to the left to eliminate the drift, I want to see how > much of the drift is the sight and how much is me, whether it be bad aim or > bad form.

It is bad form I did the same thing. It gets worst when you  get tired, the bow arm starts to drift. Nuno P

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public ranges

Question:

I was out walking with my wife in one of the nearby city parks this afternoon and had a little run-in with some guys that were using the range there.  I’ve hunted for 26 years and with a bow for 9 and have been on and around ranges for both types of weapons numerous times and this was the first time that I’ve ever had any trouble.  It was also the first time I’d been around one without my weapon. We had been walking in the woods south of the (east-west) range for an hour or so.  When we entered the woods noone was using the range. After a while we decided to pack it in for a lunch break, so we headed up towards the big field where the range was.  Approaching from the side of the range, downrange, we were about 30 yards south of the range approaching the trail that paralleled it.  From this point, still out of the line of fire, I could see that three of the archers were in the middle of the range collecting arrows from different distance targets.   I decided that since they were standing in the middle of the range, that it was foul/safe and proceded to approach the range at an angle since I could tell that my wife and I would be clear of the shooting area by the time they returned to the shooting marks and collected their bows.  I was right and we all approached the shooting marks at the same time.  I noticed they were looking my way, so I said, "whaddaya know fellas" to initiate a conversation and get a better look at what type bows they were shooting.  One of the guys, the oldest and most rotund started in on me with "Did you see the signs? This is a bow release and it’s got a hair trigger!  If you’d come out on the range and I was at full draw, my arrow could’ve gone your way!"  Then one of the other guys started in with something like, "have you ever been on a range?".  I answered the older fellow and told him that I have releases for my bow and know precisely how they work.  I answered his friend by saying, "yes, I clearly saw that you guys had the range fouled before I stepped up and even near the axis of the range and would have gone around if it were otherwise", but none of these guys seemed to want to hear anything that even remotely made it seem as though they had just assumed way too much and made themselves look rediculous. After telling them this, they just turned away so I gave trying to talk to them and left. I did learn some valuable things from the way they responded.  One thing was to never assume that when someone walks onto a fouled/safe range, that they don’t know what they are doing and berate them like an absolute idiot.  Another thing was to be especially careful of and respectful to people that wander onto near a range in the middle of a public park, because the only thing that they may know about archery and hunting is the way that you treat them. Am I out of the 10 ring on this one? Andy

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> Am I out of the 10 ring on this one? > Andy

Yes,  Your intentional actions took all control of your and their safety away from them by popping into the range (a danger zone) unannounced.   I would have been a little more polite but very forceful in my explaination of your mistake. Henry

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Did you even read the part about where I clearly saw them (and they saw me), and thus proceeded while they were at the targets pulling arrows?  Guess not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Am I out of the 10 ring on this one? > Andy > Yes,  Your intentional actions took all control of your and their safety > away from them by popping into the range (a danger zone) unannounced.   I > would have been a little more polite but very forceful in my explaination of > your mistake. > Henry

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Andy, Why ask if you’re not going to accept some constructive criticism? Just a thought…  I won’t judge right or wrong without having been there.  It does sound like they were rude but that’s the nature of many people today. REM7600 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did you even read the part about where I clearly saw them (and they > saw me), and thus proceeded while they were at the targets pulling > arrows?  Guess not.

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Andy Rooney

Question:

said on last Sunday’s 60 Minutes that anyone that hunts deer with a bow is a brute.  Time for him, Mike and Don to check into the old folks home ;( Frank

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In http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/26/60minutes/rooney/main530944… (Rooney: Newspapers Are Great! NEW YORK, Dec. 1, 2002), Andy Rooney rambles about a number of newspaper articles starting with : "The Burlington Free Press has a story about shooting deer with a bow and arrow. Hunting deer with a rifle is one thing but shooting at anything with a bow and arrow is barbaric. Imagine all the places you could hit a deer with an arrow and not kill it. " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > said on last Sunday’s 60 Minutes that anyone that hunts deer with a bow is a > brute.  Time for him, Mike and Don to check into the old folks home ;( > Frank

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> In

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/26/60minutes/rooney/main530944… > (Rooney: Newspapers Are Great! NEW YORK, Dec. 1, 2002), Andy Rooney rambles > about a number of newspaper articles starting with : > "The Burlington Free Press has a story about shooting deer with a bow and > arrow. Hunting deer with > a rifle is one thing but shooting at anything with a bow and arrow is barbaric. > Imagine all the places > you could hit a deer with an arrow and not kill it. "

Thanks for the reference.  I was writing from memory.  (I’m getting old too.)  I had scanned the site to find if I could send the old fart an email. I suspect he’ll hear from bowhunters. Frank

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Frank Logullo wrote the following message: > Thanks for the reference.  I was writing from memory.  (I’m getting > old too.)  I had scanned the site to find if I could send the old > fart an email. I suspect he’ll hear from bowhunters.

He is: http://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/tf/thread.cfm?forum=1&threadid=265861 — Be the arrow… The Little Wind Archers of Fremont County http://clubs.bowhunting.net/littlewindarchers/

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http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml

> In

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/26/60minutes/rooney/main530944… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (Rooney: Newspapers Are Great! NEW YORK, Dec. 1, 2002), Andy Rooney > rambles > about a number of newspaper articles starting with : > "The Burlington Free Press has a story about shooting deer with a bow and > arrow. Hunting deer with > a rifle is one thing but shooting at anything with a bow and arrow is > barbaric. > Imagine all the places > you could hit a deer with an arrow and not kill it. " > Thanks for the reference.  I was writing from memory.  (I’m getting old > too.)  I had scanned the site to find if I could send the old fart an email. > I suspect he’ll hear from bowhunters. > Frank

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> said on last Sunday’s 60 Minutes that anyone that hunts deer with a bow is a > brute.  Time for him, Mike and Don to check into the old folks home ;( > Frank

        Who are those people?         Oh, wait a minute, you don’t still watch the so-called big three do you, they’re so "five minutes ago" it’s pathetic. Pat Hines

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Hello I am new to archery and stop in to read sometimes, so hello everyone. I shoot traditional and have started collecting, too. I have not started to hunt yet but I really don’t think that matters. I plan to start hunting within a year or so. Here is what I wrote to cbs, if anyone is interested. Mr. Rooney, It is said that angels gather where archers are shooting arrows. The last six months of becoming an archer does not give me any doubt this saying is true. Archery is an exalted act, not an act of barbarism. It is an art form and a sport. It is probably the oldest sport in our modern Olympics. For centuries, archers have defended their families and homes with their skill. During the rise of archery as a war weapon, bows dominated battles. Even after the gun appeared, the bow had some advantages but lost out to modern war technologies. However, I have read that bows were in use as recently as WW2; specifically that two Germans were slain by a British officer who carried the naturally stealth weapon. As for hunting, arrows have put more food on the table for families in the last 50 thousand years than bullets… do the math. Regarding the use of guns for hunting as opposed to using a bow; it is a personal choice. I personally believe that it is less than honorable to take a deer with a rifle when the bow is nearby. A gun would be my last choice even for survival. A true hunter, or archer, does not take a shot that seems to be poorly aimed, regardless of the weapon used. Think of all the places you can shoot a deer with a gun and not kill it! I am sorry for your apparent lack of appreciation for archery and even for hunting. I personally do not hunt with a bow at this time because I am new to archery and I am a responsible person. I do plan to bow-hunt next year when my skills have increased. When considering that hunting is for the survival of the hunter moreso than the hunted, I say, let the hunters chose their own weapons. Sincerely, George Hagegeorge

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> Hello > I am new to archery and stop in to read sometimes, so hello everyone. I > shoot traditional and have started collecting, too. I have not started to > hunt yet but I really don’t think that matters. I plan to start hunting > within a year or so. > Here is what I wrote to cbs, if anyone is interested.

<SNIP> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As for hunting, arrows have put more food on the table for families in > the last 50 thousand years than bullets… do the math. Regarding the use > of guns for hunting as opposed to using a bow; it is a personal choice. I > personally believe that it is less than honorable to take a deer with a > rifle when the bow is nearby. A gun would be my last choice even for > survival. A true hunter, or archer, does not take a shot that seems to be > poorly aimed, regardless of the weapon used. Think of all the places you > can shoot a deer with a gun and not kill it! I am sorry for your apparent > lack of appreciation for archery and even for hunting. I personally do > not hunt with a bow at this time because I am new to archery and I am a > responsible person. I do plan to bow-hunt next year when my skills have > increased. > When considering that hunting is for the survival of the hunter moreso > than the hunted, I say, let the hunters chose their own weapons. > Sincerely, > George Hagegeorge

Just a few points. One, God to I hope not all bowhunters think the same way as you. I am aware of the accuracy of modern bows (I’m a traditionalist, off to pick my longbow up tomorrow as a matter of fact), but really, you speak of honour when hunting? There is no honour in throwing anything (lead, arrows, bolts, rocks) at anything that can’t throw them back. And survival? Since when have you seen a wounded deer run _at_ someone?! If you are _certain_ you will kill the deer with your one shot then I have no problems with you taking it but you had better be bloody positive. I have no idea whether or not it’s a "given" since I don’t use sights and don’t shoot with anyone who does. I accept the point that a rifle can wound without killing just as easily as a bow. In fact my sister’s boyfriend hunts deer over here in the U.K. (where you have to be licensed up the arse) and refused to allow a party with him to take a shot due to the appalling accuracy they displayed. But the margin of error is greater, and I don’t know a hunter who will risk the needless suffering of an animal just so they can feel "honoured" dragging something they didn’t need to kill back home. I mean, from your spelling and email address I’m guessing you’re in the U.S. Do you _really_ need to hunt for your survival? Are the supermarkets _that_ difficult to get any food from? Your point about survival of the hunter is in error in a developed country. In fact it’s insulting. Please God don’t go out until you’re shooting 40s, will you? All you Americans can now feel free to flame me, Boyracer.

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Boy As I said, I am new to archery, and I’m not hunting at this time. My point to Mr. Rooney was and still is that over the course of history, hunting with primitive weapons which has more greatly enabled survival, not firearms. In recent history that has changed. Primitive practices are not automatically barbaric. Mr. Rooney needs to see that. You are right, there is nothing inherently honorable about killing, but that applies more to murder and assasination. Hunting and defending yourself is different. Maybe I should have said it differently to Rooney as well? Some bowhunters I know are also hunting with guns in season. I can’t wait to talk to them again, they will surely give me some insight. Some of them have been hunting 40 to 50 years with bows and I am greatful to have met them. I enjoy archery and intend to continue. The guys I have been talking with locally tell me they rarely shoot more than 20 or 30 yards when bowhunting with a recurve, sometimes less than 15. Can you hit the spot at 15 yards sir? I imagine the velocity of my 58# pull hitting something at 15 yards would be fairly effective. Would you disagree? If you think taking an animal with a gun is so much better then go right ahead. I prefer archery, we don’t have to agree. I do not need to kill but if I chose to, I would not be dragging home something I didn’t need. I would be feeding my family, not grinning over my trophy. Survival and defense are not the same. I am a peaceful person, but I would also defend myself with a bow or anything else if neccessary…g r i n And since you are making a point about regulation, I am required to take classes before I can apply and hunt. Maybe that makes you feel a bit safer, just in case you visit. By the way, you probably will be hearing from some bowhunters yourself now. ‘Cheers’ George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > I am new to archery and stop in to read sometimes, so hello everyone. I > shoot traditional and have started collecting, too. I have not started to > hunt yet but I really don’t think that matters. I plan to start hunting > within a year or so. > Here is what I wrote to cbs, if anyone is interested. > <SNIP> > As for hunting, arrows have put more food on the table for families in > the last 50 thousand years than bullets… do the math. Regarding the use > of guns for hunting as opposed to using a bow; it is a personal choice. I > personally believe that it is less than honorable to take a deer with a > rifle when the bow is nearby. A gun would be my last choice even for > survival. A true hunter, or archer, does not take a shot that seems to be > poorly aimed, regardless of the weapon used. Think of all the places you > can shoot a deer with a gun and not kill it! I am sorry for your apparent > lack of appreciation for archery and even for hunting. I personally do > not hunt with a bow at this time because I am new to archery and I am a > responsible person. I do plan to bow-hunt next year when my skills have > increased. > When considering that hunting is for the survival of the hunter moreso > than the hunted, I say, let the hunters chose their own weapons. > Sincerely, > George Hagegeorge > Just a few points. One, God to I hope not all bowhunters think the same way > as you. I am aware of the accuracy of modern bows (I’m a traditionalist, off > to pick my longbow up tomorrow as a matter of fact), but really, you speak > of honour when hunting? There is no honour in throwing anything (lead, > arrows, bolts, rocks) at anything that can’t throw them back. And survival? > Since when have you seen a wounded deer run _at_ someone?! If you are > _certain_ you will kill the deer with your one shot then I have no problems > with you taking it but you had better be bloody positive. I have no idea > whether or not it’s a "given" since I don’t use sights and don’t shoot with > anyone who does. > I accept the point that a rifle can wound without killing just as easily as > a bow. In fact my sister’s boyfriend hunts deer over here in the U.K. (where > you have to be licensed up the arse) and refused to allow a party with him > to take a shot due to the appalling accuracy they displayed. But the margin > of error is greater, and I don’t know a hunter who will risk the needless > suffering of an animal just so they can feel "honoured" dragging something > they didn’t need to kill back home. I mean, from your spelling and email > address I’m guessing you’re in the U.S. Do you _really_ need to hunt for > your survival? Are the supermarkets _that_ difficult to get any food from? > Your point about survival of the hunter is in error in a developed country.

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> Boy > As I said, I am new to archery, and I’m not hunting at this time. My > point to Mr. Rooney was and still is that over the course of history, > hunting with primitive weapons which has more greatly enabled survival, > not firearms. In recent history that has changed.

I didn’t mean to rain on your parade or affect your enjoyment of archery. Sorry. Archery is wonderful and romantic, yes, but we shouldn’t allow that to interfere with any decision we have to make. Don’t think that hunting with a bow is any better than hunting with a gun because it’s closer to nature or has been done for longer. We don’t need it any more, and should really be thinking in terms of pain inflicted to the game. I would say the same thing to any hunter using guns outside of the limits he could hit and kill in. > Primitive practices are not automatically barbaric. Mr. Rooney needs > to see that. You are right, there is nothing inherently honorable about > killing, but that applies more to murder and assasination. Hunting and > defending yourself is different.

How? Defense is not honourable, it’s neccessary. And hunting is not honourable if your prey isn’t likely to kill you. Some people would argue against hunting being honourable in any case. > I enjoy archery and intend to continue. The guys I have been talking with > locally tell me they rarely shoot more than 20 or 30 yards when > bowhunting with a recurve, sometimes less than 15. Can you hit the spot > at 15 yards sir? I imagine the velocity of my 58# pull hitting something > at 15 yards would be fairly effective. Would you disagree?

No, and as I said originally, if you are confident you can kill a target at whatever range you shoot at then I have no problems with you taking the shot, but you had better be certain. > If you think taking an animal with a gun is so much better then go right > ahead. I prefer archery, we don’t have to agree. I do not need to kill > but if I chose to, I would not be dragging home something I didn’t need. > I would be feeding my family, not grinning over my trophy. Survival and > defense are not the same. I am a peaceful person, but I would also defend > myself with a bow or anything else if neccessary…g r i n

I don’t mind hunting, I mind people talking about it being honourable to hunt. It isn’t, it’s just a good way to get food. And I’m glad the point about defense went home. > And since you are making a point about regulation, I am required to take > classes before I can apply and hunt. Maybe that makes you feel a bit > safer, just in case you visit.

No, it just makes me feel better for the prey. I don’t want you (or anyone else for that matter) feel that I am having a go at bowhunting, I wouldn’t mind a crack at it myself, I just took issue with your badly thought-out comments about the romanticism of bowhunting being sufficient to defend it. As long as you can kill it, I don’t have a problem with hunting with anything. Boyracer.

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Places to buy arrows in Florida

Question:

Does anyone know of a decent archery shop in/around Orlando, Florida. Specifically to buy some Easton ACC/ACE shafts for target shooting? I’ve looked on the Easton dealer guide and it comes up with "Woolfe’s Gun Store" & "Timmy’s Toys", neither of which inspires confidence or have a their own website. Any help gratefully accepted. HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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> Does anyone know of a decent archery shop in/around Orlando, Florida. > Specifically to buy some Easton ACC/ACE shafts for target shooting? > I’ve looked on the Easton dealer guide and it comes up with "Woolfe’s > Gun Store" & "Timmy’s Toys", neither of which inspires confidence or > have a their own website. > Any help gratefully accepted.

OT, but hey. What are you going to Florida for, HooDoo? 7om – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > HooDooWitch > Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, > grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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> Does anyone know of a decent archery shop in/around Orlando, Florida. > Specifically to buy some Easton ACC/ACE shafts for target shooting? > I’ve looked on the Easton dealer guide and it comes up with "Woolfe’s > Gun Store" & "Timmy’s Toys", neither of which inspires confidence or > have a their own website. > Any help gratefully accepted. > OT, but hey. What are you going to Florida for, HooDoo?

DisneyWorld & cheap ACCs.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Does anyone know of a decent archery shop in/around Orlando, Florida. > > Specifically to buy some Easton ACC/ACE shafts for target shooting? > > I’ve looked on the Easton dealer guide and it comes up with "Woolfe’s > > Gun Store" & "Timmy’s Toys", neither of which inspires confidence or > > have a their own website. > > Any help gratefully accepted. > OT, but hey. What are you going to Florida for, HooDoo? > DisneyWorld & cheap ACCs.

Well if he’s there for more than a few days, he should order them online at the least expensive source and have them delivered to his Orlando address..     He could probably have waht he needs in 2 days after ordering it

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following: > > OT, but hey. What are you going to Florida for, HooDoo?

Did I say I was going to Florida?   … Another "bloody" work conference! … then 4 days of meandering around Florida space centre, & everglades > DisneyWorld & cheap ACCs.

LOL! But I’m only stopping at DisneyWorld for the duration of the conference. I have an aversion to six-foot rats & tourists >Well if he’s there for more than a few days, he should order them online at >the least expensive source and have them delivered to his Orlando address.. >    He could probably have waht he needs in 2 days after ordering

Good idea, but I’d still like to go to a decent shop … if only just for a nosey HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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> >> > OT, but hey. What are you going to Florida for, HooDoo? > Did I say I was going to Florida?

Yes, you did. > LOL! But I’m only stopping at DisneyWorld for the duration of the > conference. I have an aversion to six-foot rats & tourists

What about people dressed up as cute little furry things in polyfoam suits? (Reminds me of a wonderful movie clip floating around the Net. This little kid goes up to Pluto or someone and punches him in the balls. Pluto’s voice changes sharpish.) >Well if he’s there for more than a few days, he should order them online at >the least expensive source and have them delivered to his Orlando address.. >    He could probably have waht he needs in 2 days after ordering > Good idea, but I’d still like to go to a decent shop … if only just > for a nosey

Well, yeah. But problem is, most of the shops are probably going to be hunter oriented – which means lots of one cam bows, ACC’s that aren’t matched into dozens, wrist releases, and all sorts of other useless junk. 7om

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following: > Did I say I was going to Florida? >Yes, you did.

Originally I didn’t – you just assumed (correctly). >What about people dressed up as cute little furry things in polyfoam suits? >(Reminds me of a wonderful movie clip floating around the Net. This little >kid goes up to Pluto or someone and punches him in the balls. Pluto’s voice >changes sharpish.)

LOL! I must get the Mrs to take the digicam >Well, yeah. But problem is, most of the shops are probably going to be >hunter oriented – which means lots of one cam bows, ACC’s that aren’t >matched into dozens, wrist releases, and all sorts of other useless junk.

You mean they’re only "Mickey Mouse" archery shops HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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> >> Did I say I was going to Florida? >Yes, you did. > Originally I didn’t – you just assumed (correctly).

<rereads> Yup, you’re right. Ooops. >What about people dressed up as cute little furry things in polyfoam suits? >(Reminds me of a wonderful movie clip floating around the Net. This little >kid goes up to Pluto or someone and punches him in the balls. Pluto’s voice >changes sharpish.) > LOL! I must get the Mrs to take the digicam

Now there’s a Kodak moment! > You mean they’re only "Mickey Mouse" archery shops

Now that I’d pay for. "And here we have the Minnie Mouse broadheads. A massive 1 1/2" cut, with a unique blend of twinkle dust and Mossy Oak, and guaranteed to pass straight through Bambi, his mother, and any poor unfortunate furball that is standing in the way. Why not buy some to try out at the Parade this afternoon? If that isn’t your style, how about the Popeye mechanicals?" … etc. 7om

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When I was in Florida earlier this year I found an archery shop online before I set off, unfortunately I went to the other side of Florida so that on isn’t going to be any good for you but maybe thats the way to look for one. Incidently, having priced ACC’s and ACE’s both in Florida and in Las Vegas this last year the price is comparable with buying them in this country, (I was quoted $23 and $11.68 per shaft).  Add the import duty and no saving! Hope this helped Roly

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post the following: >Does anyone know of a decent archery shop in/around Orlando, Florida. >Specifically to buy some Easton ACC/ACE shafts for target shooting? >I’ve looked on the Easton dealer guide and it comes up with "Woolfe’s >Gun Store" & "Timmy’s Toys", neither of which inspires confidence or >have a their own website. >Any help gratefully accepted.

Thanks for the suggestions. The only vaguely archery oriented shop we found on our travels was Bucks Gun Store in Daytona, FL. Buck was a nice guy but you wouldn’t want to meet him in a dark alley – thousand yard stare and all that … and he only had hunting aluminium arrows. Why do they camouflage the shafts and then stick day-glow fletchings on? Bizarre! Oh well – looks like it’s going to be another trip to Custom Built in the new year. HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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> … and he only had hunting aluminium arrows. Why do they camouflage > the shafts and then stick day-glow fletchings on? Bizarre!

And what’s wrong with that? It looks more fun! (Says the man who is wearing a white & blue shirt with red flowers and a hat that’s a foot tall and looks like a pint of Guinness…) > Oh well – looks like it’s going to be another trip to Custom Built in > the new year.

While you are there, have a look (and ideally draw) the new Browning. It’s the one with the dual counterrotating idler wheels, and a) looks, b) feels, weird as hell. Merry Xmas 7om

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following: > … and he only had hunting aluminium arrows. Why do they camouflage > the shafts and then stick day-glow fletchings on? Bizarre! >And what’s wrong with that? It looks more fun!

It’s just that I can imagine Bambi peering through the woods at a camouflaged arrow heading his way at 300fps thinking …"is that an arrow? I can’t quite make it out against all those trees". >(Says the man who is wearing >a white & blue shirt with red flowers and a hat that’s a foot tall and looks >like a pint of Guinness…)

You are JK AICM5PUK! > Oh well – looks like it’s going to be another trip to Custom Built in > the new year. >While you are there, have a look (and ideally draw) the new Browning. It’s >the one with the dual counterrotating idler wheels, and a) looks, b) feels, >weird as hell.

Been there, seen the film, bought the cap … and came back (empty handed)… all in a week. Marvellous things those aeroplanes! HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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Target Sights for Compound?

Question:

I’ve got a PSE Supra compound bow on order that I plan to use for target shooting.  I’ve been looking at target sights at Lancaster’s web site.   Many of the target sights indicate they are for recurves only, many don’t say anything about bow-type, and a few indicate they are OK for compounds. I was figuring on spending ~$100 to $150 for a sight, including an aperture.  The top of the line $250 jobs from Toxonics, Sure-Loc, etc. are way too much.  I’m a bit concerned about the AIM products being too economical, although the Champion might be OK.  I’d like to get repeatable settings, preferably with a click adjustment.  The Toxonics Naildriver 3515 seems promising, but it doesn’t say if it’s OK for compounds, and it doesn’t mention click adjustment.  The Sure-Loc Challenger 400/550 is a bit more than I had figured on spending, especially given that I’d still need an aperture.  Any other options? What are the issues with different extension & frame lengths?  I assume by frame length they mean the height of the elevation section, in which case I don’t know why you would need a larger one unless you are shooting at very long ranges.  On aperture/scope threads, I would think that a 10-32 thread would be more rigid without adding much weight, but a large amount of stuff comes only in 8-32.  Any big deal as to which to go with? The Beiter apertures look nice, but I have no idea what the issues might be with a small vs large aperture.  There’s also the Ambo adjustable iris, but I still don’t know why/when I might want to change my iris size.  Different lighting conditions? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! Doug White

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Generally, recurve bows have less vibration than compound bows. Many compound archers use scopes which are heavier than the simple apertures and pins that recurve shooters use. So, a compound sight is sturdier than a recurve sight. You can use a compound sight on a recurve but the reverse might be trouble. Most scopes have 10/32 threads since they are sturdier. Most simple apertures and many pins are 8-32 since they don’t have to be as sturdy. Generally speaking you don’t need as much frame length with a compound. The arrows go faster and the arrows don’t fall off as much with longer distances. For most uses 4 inches is plenty for a compound. If you have a scope/lens then changing the extension can make the view through the scope clearer. Some folks use the extension length to compensate for bow torque. What you choose depends on the type of shooting you will do. If you are shooting FITA events then you probably end up shooting with a scope (and a peep) with a release. I would spend a bit more and get a sturdier sight. 3D and field have classes for fingers and compounds. Some classes use pins only. Tell us a little bit more about what kind of archery you want to do. — Arlington, Massachusetts USA

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I’ve got no comments on particular brands of Compound sight, I don’t know the market well enough. The following are just some general observations: "click" doesn’t guarantee reliable settings. I’d look for something which is designed to lock down solidly and not rattle loose, myself, regardless of whether it clicks or not. Most target compound archers I’ve seen, shoot with a peep and scope. This has a couple of implications; you need a pin stout enough to support the scope and not break in use (so 10/32 – most recurve sights use 8/32 which isn’t sufficient). The extra weight on the sight pin, plus the mechanical vibration of the bow tend to rattle loose a sight which doesn’t lock down well, so look at how it locks – if it has a 10/32 pin and *good* locking mechanisms (read "overkill") then it’s most likely a compound sight. The second implication relates to the extension – sight picture through the peep is important. You need to set thing up so you can see the whole scope body through the peep, this is part of where the extension comes in. You shift the extension until you get a good sight picture, then you lock it down and don’t move it again. This differs from the way some recurve archers use an extension, for getting longer distances by reducing the length. That shouldn’t be necessary on a compound, even with Aluminium shafts. The vertical travel is another matter, you don’t necessarily need it to be long, but it is better to have it long enough so that you can get your longest and shortest distances without having to take the sight apart and re-position the rail. For target shooting this is 90m and 30m (outdoors) and as low as 18m indoors. With a slow compound, and heavy shafts, some sight rails won’t accomodate this. Unfortuantely, it’s a "suck it and see" sort of thing, as you can’t predict how your setup is going to be. My personal take on aperture size (or scope size) is that it doesn’t matter much. If you get the larger Beiter, then you can always reduce the internal diameter with inserts. I use the larger size (without any inserts) on my recurve, and a 28mm scope with a central dot, on my compound. What *you* should use, is what works best for you. You only find that out by trying things out. Personally, I wouldn’t touch one of the "iris" type sights. Too much to go wrong, and I’d end up leaving it at one size, anyway… a simple open ring, or dot, is good enough IMO. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve got a PSE Supra compound bow on order that I plan to use for target > shooting.  I’ve been looking at target sights at Lancaster’s web site.   > Many of the target sights indicate they are for recurves only, many don’t > say anything about bow-type, and a few indicate they are OK for > compounds. > I was figuring on spending ~$100 to $150 for a sight, including an > aperture.  The top of the line $250 jobs from Toxonics, Sure-Loc, etc. > are way too much.  I’m a bit concerned about the AIM products being too > economical, although the Champion might be OK.  I’d like to get > repeatable settings, preferably with a click adjustment.  The Toxonics > Naildriver 3515 seems promising, but it doesn’t say if it’s OK for > compounds, and it doesn’t mention click adjustment.  The Sure-Loc > Challenger 400/550 is a bit more than I had figured on spending, > especially given that I’d still need an aperture.  Any other options? > What are the issues with different extension & frame lengths?  I assume > by frame length they mean the height of the elevation section, in which > case I don’t know why you would need a larger one unless you are shooting > at very long ranges.  On aperture/scope threads, I would think that a > 10-32 thread would be more rigid without adding much weight, but a large > amount of stuff comes only in 8-32.  Any big deal as to which to go with? > The Beiter apertures look nice, but I have no idea what the issues might > be with a small vs large aperture.  There’s also the Ambo adjustable > iris, but I still don’t know why/when I might want to change my iris > size.  Different lighting conditions? > Any comments or suggestions would be greatly apreciated. > Thanks! > Doug White

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Thanks for the input.  I will probably be competing in our local club shoots, and I haven’t yet found out what all the rules are as far as equipment goes.  I know most of the people shoot compounds, and they have different classes if you shoot with a release.  There’s an indoor league in the winter (I’m in Massachusetts), and although they have outdoor targets, they mostly seem to go in for field archery and targets at only moderate distances (no 90 meter stuff). A lot of the folks hunt & do 3D shoots, so hunting-style pin sights are popular.   I’m primarily getting back into archery because my eldest daughter is getting into it and I don’t want to just sit around.  I enjoyed it when I was a teenager, but the whole business has gotten VERY complicated since then. There’s an indoor-league shoot tomorrow night, and I will go and see what folks are using.  If I’m mostly shooting at shorter ranges, is a scope really necessary?  I’ve been thinking I could invest a little more in a sight & shoot with an aperture indoors for now, and that would give me time to study things a bit more before investing in a scope.  I don’t mind spending money on good gear, but I hate to go all out when I don’t know what to look for in terms of features & the like. Doug White – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Generally, recurve bows have less vibration than compound bows. Many compound >archers use scopes which are heavier than the simple apertures and pins that >recurve shooters use. So, a compound sight is sturdier than a recurve sight. > You >can use a compound sight on a recurve but the reverse might be trouble. >Most scopes have 10/32 threads since they are sturdier. Most simple apertures >and many pins are 8-32 since they don’t have to be as sturdy. >Generally speaking you don’t need as much frame length with a compound. The >arrows go faster and the arrows don’t fall off as much with longer distances. >For most uses 4 inches is plenty for a compound. >If you have a scope/lens then changing the extension can make the view through >the scope clearer. Some folks use the extension length to compensate for bow >torque. >What you choose depends on the type of shooting you will do. If you are > shooting >FITA events then you probably end up shooting with a scope (and a peep) with a >release. I would spend a bit more and get a sturdier sight. >3D and field have classes for fingers and compounds. Some classes use pins > only. >Tell us a little bit more about what kind of archery you want to do.

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A normal aperture, or pin, is fine indoors. But if you think you might want to shoot a scope in the future, don’t buy a sight which takes the 8/32 pins. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks for the input.  I will probably be competing in our local club > shoots, and I haven’t yet found out what all the rules are as far as > equipment goes.  I know most of the people shoot compounds, and they > have different classes if you shoot with a release.  There’s an indoor > league in the winter (I’m in Massachusetts), and although they have > outdoor targets, they mostly seem to go in for field archery and > targets at only moderate distances (no 90 meter stuff). A lot of the > folks hunt & do 3D shoots, so hunting-style pin sights are popular.   > I’m primarily getting back into archery because my eldest daughter is > getting into it and I don’t want to just sit around.  I enjoyed it > when I was a teenager, but the whole business has gotten VERY > complicated since then. > There’s an indoor-league shoot tomorrow night, and I will go and see > what folks are using.  If I’m mostly shooting at shorter ranges, is a > scope really necessary?  I’ve been thinking I could invest a little > more in a sight & shoot with an aperture indoors for now, and that > would give me time to study things a bit more before investing in a > scope.  I don’t mind spending money on good gear, but I hate to go all > out when I don’t know what to look for in terms of features & the > like. > Doug White >Generally, recurve bows have less vibration than compound bows. Many compound >archers use scopes which are heavier than the simple apertures and pins that >recurve shooters use. So, a compound sight is sturdier than a recurve sight. > You >can use a compound sight on a recurve but the reverse might be trouble. >Most scopes have 10/32 threads since they are sturdier. Most simple apertures >and many pins are 8-32 since they don’t have to be as sturdy. >Generally speaking you don’t need as much frame length with a compound. The >arrows go faster and the arrows don’t fall off as much with longer distances. >For most uses 4 inches is plenty for a compound. >If you have a scope/lens then changing the extension can make the view through >the scope clearer. Some folks use the extension length to compensate for bow >torque. >What you choose depends on the type of shooting you will do. If you are > shooting >FITA events then you probably end up shooting with a scope (and a peep) with a >release. I would spend a bit more and get a sturdier sight. >3D and field have classes for fingers and compounds. Some classes use pins > only. >Tell us a little bit more about what kind of archery you want to do.

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news group server

Question:

Hi Does anyone know the address of this server?

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Jens Fudge wrote the following message: > Hi > Does anyone know the address of this server?

I am not sure what you are asking here. The link to this news server? The newsgroup name? Your particular news server: news.tele.dk Newsgroup; rec.sport.archery Your full news server address to this newsgroup: — Be the arrow… The Little Wind Archers of Fremont County http://clubs.bowhunting.net/littlewindarchers/

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>Hi >Does anyone know the address of this server?

Do you spend your weekends phoning people up and asking "what number have I just dialled"? HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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Yes I do that often No, the thing is I have currently connected my pc to news.tele.dk as Ron was so kind to remind me… The newsgroup has however, most likely, some origin, and I’m trying to figure out how to get to the origin. (By origin I do mean a machine with a valid ip-address and or domain name). The newsserver I currently am connected to merely has a reflection of what is on the original server. A mirror so to speak. Why on earth would I like to do this??? The reason I have this peculiar request, is that my internet provider (tele.dk) has the habit of blocking write-access to some of the newsgroups, which is a bummer, but since I go through their server (name = news.tele.dk ip= 62.243.74.162) they are entitled to do this. Currently I CAN write to this particular newsgroup, but I have encountered problems on other newsgroups. Hence I would like to connect directly to the origin server of this newsgroup. You can consider it like a telephone central, sometimes you call a company and get redirected to one particular office. Next time you might want to call that office directly, so yes….. It does sometimes make sence to ask someone you have called about their phone number. But I certainly do like the way you think Hoo Doo Witch. So the question remains, but I might refrase it: Does anyone know the ORIGIN of this newsgroup, and/or how this information can be found ? Thx in advance /Jens – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi >Does anyone know the address of this server? > Do you spend your weekends phoning people up and asking "what number > have I just dialled"? > HooDooWitch > Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, > grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes I do that often > No, the thing is I have currently connected my pc to news.tele.dk as Ron was > so kind to remind me… > The newsgroup has however, most likely, some origin, and I’m trying to > figure out how to get to the origin. (By origin I do mean a machine with a > valid ip-address and or domain name). The newsserver I currently am > connected to merely has a reflection of what is on the original server. A > mirror so to speak. > Why on earth would I like to do this??? The reason I have this peculiar > request, is that my internet provider (tele.dk) has the habit of blocking > write-access to some of the newsgroups, which is a bummer, but since I go > through their server (name = news.tele.dk ip= 62.243.74.162) they are > entitled to do this. > Currently I CAN write to this particular newsgroup, but I have encountered > problems on other newsgroups. Hence I would like to connect directly to the > origin server of this newsgroup. > You can consider it like a telephone central, sometimes you call a company > and get redirected to one particular office. Next time you might want to > call that office directly, so yes….. It does sometimes make sence to ask > someone you have called about their phone number. > But I certainly do like the way you think Hoo Doo Witch. > So the question remains, but I might refrase it: > Does anyone know the ORIGIN of this newsgroup, and/or how this information > can be found ?

Usenet is a peer to peer network of many servers that carry the information.  No one server is the "home" of a particular group.  Your posting had crossed all these servers to reach the one where I read it: news.tele.dk                                                               newsfeed.arcor-online.net                                                 news.belwue.de                                                             feedme.news.mediaways.net                                                 nntp.gblx.net                                                             Quza.UK.peer                                                               nntp.gblx.net                                                             feeder0.quza                                                               Many people make reliable news servers available.  One of most highly repected usenet server providers that I have heard has pages here: <http://news.cis.dfn.de/> — Chris Hatt USER ERROR: Replace user and press any key to continue…

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the following: >The newsgroup has however, most likely, some origin, and I’m trying to >figure out how to get to the origin.

And when you’re not on the phone askin’ "What number have I dialled?" you’re asking "Who’s your daddy?" >You can consider it like a telephone central, sometimes you call a company >and get redirected to one particular office. Next time you might want to >call that office directly, so yes….. It does sometimes make sence to ask >someone you have called about their phone number.

… and if you don’t like the service that you’re getting from the phone company? – you go elsewhere. And you can go elsewhere for news servers. I use news.cis.dfn.de  http://news.cis.dfn.de/ They expect you to register, and abide by their rules, but I’ve not had trouble posting anywhere. >Does anyone know the ORIGIN of this newsgroup, and/or how this information >can be found ?

There is no one server that hosts these newsgroups. There’s just a series of servers that, just like tele.dk, and news.cis.dfn.de, mirror other news servers. It’s called propogation, and it’s the way this particular bit of t’internet works. > But I certainly do like the way you think Hoo Doo Witch.

<Tommy Cooper> Fachyouverrymuch </tommy> HooDooWitch Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big and wear glasses if you need ‘em.

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>The newsgroup has however, most likely, some origin, and I’m trying to >figure out how to get to the origin. (By origin I do mean a machine with a >valid ip-address and or domain name).

The orgin is the posters machine.  Once each poster posts an article, it goes out to the world, so to speak.  Each newserver then decides to pick up the newsgroup or not. >The newsserver I currently am >connected to merely has a reflection of what is on the original server.

No, it has whatever the administrator wanted it to pick up. >A mirror so to speak.

More like a basket that is selectively filled. >Why on earth would I like to do this??? The reason I have this peculiar >request, is that my internet provider (tele.dk) has the habit of blocking >write-access to some of the newsgroups, which is a bummer, but since I go >through their server (name = news.tele.dk ip= 62.243.74.162) they are >entitled to do this. >Currently I CAN write to this particular newsgroup, but I have encountered >problems on other newsgroups. Hence I would like to connect directly to the >origin server of this newsgroup.

This doesn’t sound right.  Some ISP’s will not carry certain newsgroups, but I have never heard of one not allowing you to post.   I think you should read up on how newsgroups, also called usenet, works.

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Well, yeah, I dont know much about newsswervers….. But I do know that if I log on to any of Borland’s newsgroups through the Tele.DK server I cannot post anything, if I log on to Borlands own server, no problem… This is why I figured there must be an origin of a newsserver….. Sorry for my ignorance. /Jens – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The newsgroup has however, most likely, some origin, and I’m trying to >figure out how to get to the origin. (By origin I do mean a machine with a >valid ip-address and or domain name). > The orgin is the posters machine.  Once each poster posts an article, it > goes out to the world, so to speak.  Each newserver then decides to pick > up the newsgroup or not. >The newsserver I currently am >connected to merely has a reflection of what is on the original server. > No, it has whatever the administrator wanted it to pick up. >A mirror so to speak. > More like a basket that is selectively filled. >Why on earth would I like to do this??? The reason I have this peculiar >request, is that my internet provider (tele.dk) has the habit of blocking >write-access to some of the newsgroups, which is a bummer, but since I go >through their server (name = news.tele.dk ip= 62.243.74.162) they are >entitled to do this. >Currently I CAN write to this particular newsgroup, but I have encountered >problems on other newsgroups. Hence I would like to connect directly to the >origin server of this newsgroup. > This doesn’t sound right.  Some ISP’s will not carry certain newsgroups, but I > have never heard of one not allowing you to post. > I think you should read up on how newsgroups, also called usenet, works.

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Beginners question

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I have just bought a Hoyt GM riser with Samick limbs. My question is this: when I string the bow  the string sits in these little slots which run 2 or 3 inches along the limbs. The string stays in the slot on the top limb but after drawing the bow the sting comes out of the slot and lays alongside the slot. Is this usual? Am I doing something wrong? Is there an adjustment needed. Thanks BT

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No Bill it is not usual. It sounds as if the limbs may be twisted. If you live in Mexborough then I am willing to meet you and take a look at your bow next Thursday or Friday. email me direct to set it up. ro.freeserve.co.uk> writes — John Grove

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Did you fit the limbs the right way? StiG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have just bought a Hoyt GM riser with Samick limbs. My question is this: > when I string the bow  the string sits in these little slots which run 2 or > 3 inches along the limbs. The string stays in the slot on the top limb but > after drawing the bow the sting comes out of the slot and lays alongside the > slot. Is this usual? Am I doing something wrong? Is there an adjustment > needed. > Thanks > BT

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How do I know what length of bow I need? Is there a simple formula? — Steve

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Steve, Join a club and take the advise of a coach in the club. If you do not know how to contact a club near to you go to http://www.gnas.org where you can get local contact information. Rough Guide is below 26" arrows 64" bow Below 28" arrows 66" bow below 29.5"      68" bow above 29.5       70" bow >How do I know what length of bow I need? Is there a simple formula? >– >Steve

– John Grove

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Um… Recurve, Compound, longbow, other sort of bow? Field or Target shooting? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > How do I know what length of bow I need? Is there a simple formula?

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    Thanks John. Through the link you supplied, I’ve identified several clubs close to me and mailed them for some info. Now all I have to do is resist the temptation to rush out and spend my money until I’ve managed to glean some decent advice!     In the meantime, I’m wondering if I’ll be able to shoot in my back garden. What sort of ranges does one shoot at? I could manage a 30 yd range, maybe 40, would this be adequate for a beginner?     Also… Is there any branch of archery (including crossbows) which requires any kind of licence? Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve, Join a club and take the advise of a coach in the club. > If you do not know how to contact a club near to you go to > http://www.gnas.org where you can get local contact information. > Rough Guide is > below 26" arrows 64" bow > Below 28" arrows 66" bow > below 29.5"      68" bow > above 29.5       70" bow >How do I know what length of bow I need? Is there a simple formula? >– >Steve > — > John Grove

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shadyshark asked:- > Recurve, Compound, longbow, other sort of bow? > Field or Target shooting?

    Er, ok well you’ve got me there! What does a beginner usually start with? From what I’ve picked up so far, I’m thinking a compound bow is one with wheels on the ends and is used for hunting, right? They seem a bit pricey too. I only want to shoot at targets – apart from when those pesky rabbits wipe out my vegetables! Compound seems to be the most common with longbow being looked on as somewhat quaint, perhaps even a little eccentric? Please correct me if my first impressions are wrong.     I was thinking of spending about

Presenting Archery to a homeowners' association for land use. Any suggestions?

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         Hi all, I have a golden opportunity to make a presentation to my home owners association. The issue is a piece of land that is not being used. I would like to use it for a small range for taking maybe 20 to 30 yard shots maximum. I have a positive feedback from one of the board members already.         He suggests that I make a short presentation and create a diagram showing where exactly I would be shooting. (I won’t use that word)  I have safety statistics and photos of the area.         It is a grass area that no one uses and butts up against a large hill of about 200 feet in height that is so steep that you cannot climb it. I feel that it is a perfect area for this for several reasons but have never made a presentation like this before. If anyone out there has done this before or has suggestions for me please feel free to offer them. I appreciate any and all feedback whether positive or negative. I’ll repost the results after next weeks’ meeting so that anyone else in my position might benefit from the information.          Have a great day!          Greg C

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If you are a target archer, try emphasizing that. The uninformed associate bowhunting with lethality.  Of course, that is reasonable.  When I dismiss my own shooting as "Oh, no, target only.  The points aren’t even sharp.  You couldn’t use this bow or arrows for hunting.  I never hunt.  This is OLYMPIC style archery, but of course not Olympic quality.  I use a much much less powerful bow than a hunter would…."  A lot of people figure that pure target shooting equipment is a lot safer.  They are reassured by that.  Keep in mind also that a lot of people object to hunting or anything related to hunting.  So, if you are a target shooter, use that to your advantage. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, I have a golden opportunity to make a presentation to my > home owners association. The issue is a piece of land that is not being > used. I would like to use it for a small range for taking maybe 20 to 30 > yard shots maximum. I have a positive feedback from one of the board members > already. >         He suggests that I make a short presentation and create a diagram > showing where exactly I would be shooting. (I won’t use that word)  I > have safety statistics and photos of the area. >         It is a grass area that no one uses and butts up against a large > hill of about 200 feet in height that is so steep that you cannot climb it. > I feel that it is a perfect area for this for several reasons but have never > made a presentation like this before. If anyone out there has done this > before or has suggestions for me please feel free to offer them. I > appreciate any and all feedback whether positive or negative. I’ll repost > the results after next weeks’ meeting so that anyone else in my position > might benefit from the information. >          Have a great day! >          Greg C

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1. Use the FITA rulebooks to define your target range.   Emphasize the international standard these create.    Tie the FITA rules to the Olympic effort and philosophy. 2. There was a recent article in the ARCHERY FOCUS magazine, say, two issues back, that did a reasonable treatise on relative safety.  Include that article. 3. Affiliate yourself with the NAA – say, start a JOAD or tie-in with an existing JOAD – The NAA offers low-cost insurance that will be invaluable, and as the US representative to the Olympics, the NAA provides a lot of respectability. 4. You may be able to acquire funding from your state’s Fish and Game Department – it’s called the Pittman – Robertson Act –   I’ve put a set of docs on it up on the website – link on the TSAA website to that as well – do a search on "pittman". 5.  Gather as many archers, especially kids, but also professional, responsible, adults.  Bring them as a body of support to meetings. Links for 1 and 3 and 4 are on the TSAA website.     http://www.archeryfocus.com for #2. http://www.texasarchery.org HTH. TexARC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >          Hi all, I have a golden opportunity to make a presentation to my > home owners association. The issue is a piece of land that is not being > used. I would like to use it for a small range for taking maybe 20 to 30 > yard shots maximum. I have a positive feedback from one of the board members > already. >         He suggests that I make a short presentation and create a diagram > showing where exactly I would be shooting. (I won’t use that word)  I > have safety statistics and photos of the area. >         It is a grass area that no one uses and butts up against a large > hill of about 200 feet in height that is so steep that you cannot climb it. > I feel that it is a perfect area for this for several reasons but have never > made a presentation like this before. If anyone out there has done this > before or has suggestions for me please feel free to offer them. I > appreciate any and all feedback whether positive or negative. I’ll repost > the results after next weeks’ meeting so that anyone else in my position > might benefit from the information. >          Have a great day! >          Greg C

– TexARC publicize the sport of Archery!  http://www.texasarchery.org and put your name in body of message.

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One fairly obvious thing to check is the local laws regarding archery. In some parts of the world archery is in the same category as firearms so the law requires much more in the way of safety equipment and setup. I know that in Los Angeles County that you must have at least 300 yards clearance behind an archery target. This space must not cross other folks private property and may not cross a street or highway. — Arlington, Massachusetts USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->          Hi all, I have a golden opportunity to make a presentation to my > home owners association. The issue is a piece of land that is not being > used. I would like to use it for a small range for taking maybe 20 to 30 > yard shots maximum. I have a positive feedback from one of the board members > already. >         He suggests that I make a short presentation and create a diagram > showing where exactly I would be shooting. (I won’t use that word)  I > have safety statistics and photos of the area. >         It is a grass area that no one uses and butts up against a large > hill of about 200 feet in height that is so steep that you cannot climb it. > I feel that it is a perfect area for this for several reasons but have never > made a presentation like this before. If anyone out there has done this > before or has suggestions for me please feel free to offer them. I > appreciate any and all feedback whether positive or negative. I’ll repost > the results after next weeks’ meeting so that anyone else in my position > might benefit from the information. >          Have a great day!

Sounds like a good community project. If you need CAD plans drawing up, let me know, I’d be glad to lend a hand. I’m not sure if Marty is 100% right about the LA law. I suspect (but am not sure), that the 300yards rule is guidance on how to satisfy the law that says something like "must ensure that wayward arrows may not endanger the public". We have a similar thing in this country with Building Regulations. People think think that what is in the books is the way that they have to do it. This isn’t the case, they are just guidance. Check your local laws. Anyhow. Enjoy! I wish I had a range on my street! DV

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HUNTING STORIES WANTED

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Fellow Hunters – I’m currently editing a collection of hunting stories for hardback publication early next summer. I’m looking for true hunting stories of adventure, humor, the unusual, or just about anything that will keep an outdoor reader entertained. I envision followup volumes every two to three years. If you have a story to contribute and it is included for publication, you’ll receive story credit, and a signed book copy. Obviously, if the story is about you, you’ll receive additional mention as well. Stories of hearsay, "urban legend," or "I once heard" can not be accepted. Only factual first or close hand tales can be used. Stories from the internet and newspapers also accepted provided accurate and verifiable source information is included. If you have a story you’d like to contribute, I’d be grateful, AND you’ll get your story told! Shoot straight – and often! Tripp Holmgrain Committee Chairman Texas Outdoor Writers Association

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Ouch?!?! http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/2001/1015/1264454.html

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And the Piccies too. Only for those with a cast-iron stomach. Or head, in this case. http://www.compoundbow.de/jagdunfall.htm

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these made the rounds up here a month or three  back, I think… pretty lucky guy! > Ouch?!?! > http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/2001/1015/1264454.html

– TexARC publicize the sport of Archery! http://www.texasarchery.org Outgoing messages scanned for viruses by Nortons AV 2002

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Look good in his book though How about a title? (Deliberately in uppercase "ARE WE LEARNING YET?"

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> Look good in his book though > How about a title? > (Deliberately in uppercase > "ARE WE LEARNING YET?"

Or: Fixed blade vs. Mechanicals? Neurosurgery for beginners? Loopholes in insurance documents that can be used against bowhunters? (Sorry if they aren’t all that good, but I’m busy trying to avoid doing any work.) Tom — Poor Men Wanna Be Rich, Rich Men Wanna Be King….

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Fellow Outdoorsmen – I’m currently editing a collection of hunting stories for hardback publication early next summer. I’m looking for true hunting stories of adventure, humor, the unusual, or just about anything that will keep an outdoor reader entertained. I envision followup volumes every two to three years. If you have a story to contribute and it is included for publication, you’ll receive story credit, and a signed book copy. Obviously, if the story is about you, you’ll receive additional mention as well. Stories of hearsay, "urban legend," or "I once heard" can not be accepted. Only factual first or close hand tales can be used. Stories from the internet and newspapers also accepted provided accurate and verifiable source information is included. If you have a story you’d like to contribute, I’d be grateful, AND you’ll get your story told! Shoot straight – and often! Tripp Holmgrain Committee Chairman Texas Outdoor Writers Association

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Fellow Outdoorsmen – >I’m currently editing a collection of hunting stories for hardback publication >early next summer. >I’m looking for true hunting stories of adventure, humor, the unusual, or just >about anything that will keep an outdoor reader entertained. I envision >followup volumes every two to three years. >If you have a story to contribute and it is included for publication, you’ll >receive story credit, and a signed book copy. Obviously, if the story is about >you, you’ll receive additional mention as well. >Stories of hearsay, "urban legend," or "I once heard" can not be accepted. Only >factual first or close hand tales can be used. Stories from the internet and >newspapers also accepted provided accurate and verifiable source information is >included. >If you have a story you’d like to contribute, I’d be grateful, AND you’ll get >your story told! >Shoot straight – and often! >Tripp Holmgrain >Committee Chairman >Texas Outdoor Writers Association

Went hunting once, got the perfect shot on a beautiful buck.  Got home and realized I didn’t have any film in the camera.  (c’mon, you didn’t actually think anybody would let me have a gun didja? <grin>). Dutch "I think therefore I am…usually in a lot of trouble."

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I have several stories to tell. How much do you pay for these stories? Thx. Raider Fan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Fellow Outdoorsmen – > I’m currently editing a collection of hunting stories for hardback publication > early next summer. > I’m looking for true hunting stories of adventure, humor, the unusual, or just > about anything that will keep an outdoor reader entertained. I envision > followup volumes every two to three years. > If you have a story to contribute and it is included for publication, you’ll > receive story credit, and a signed book copy. Obviously, if the story is about > you, you’ll receive additional mention as well. > Stories of hearsay, "urban legend," or "I once heard" can not be accepted. Only > factual first or close hand tales can be used. Stories from the internet and > newspapers also accepted provided accurate and verifiable source information is > included. > If you have a story you’d like to contribute, I’d be grateful, AND you’ll get > your story told! > Shoot straight – and often! > Tripp Holmgrain > Committee Chairman > Texas Outdoor Writers Association

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