Exquisite Quivers? :)

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Maybe my subject is worded badly.. I am looking for a not-so-normal quiver.  Basically, I am looking for either a leather, or an animal-skin Back quiver.  I really prefer the back quiver. For the leather, I don’t mean like the cheap, bright looking leather. I like the old, dark, aged looking leather.  Or any type of animal or critter skin. Honestly, a snake or alligator skinned quiver would be truly amazing. Or, a "elf" type one, like Legolas’ from Lord of the Rings. Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions or can point me in a good direction, I would appreaciate it very much. Thanks, Bobby

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Maybe my subject is worded badly.. > I am looking for a not-so-normal quiver.  Basically, I am looking for > either a leather, or an animal-skin Back quiver.  I really prefer the > back quiver. > For the leather, I don’t mean like the cheap, bright looking leather. > I like the old, dark, aged looking leather.  Or any type of animal or > critter skin. > Honestly, a snake or alligator skinned quiver would be truly amazing. > Or, a "elf" type one, like Legolas’ from Lord of the Rings. > Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions or can point me in a good > direction, I would appreaciate it very much. > Thanks, > Bobby

I know of a back quiver made from two red fox skins that were just taken as a trade by Boorman Archery in New Westminster, B.C. Canada.  The telephone number is 604-524-1674 and they are open 10am to 5 pm PST tomorrow(Tuesday).  Hope this helps.

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Try this link: http://horsebows.com/ The site only addresses their bows, as far as I can tell, but one of their reps was at the NFAA Marked 3-D shoot, in Redding California, last year. They had some BEAUTIFUL leather quivers and accessory pouches, including back quivers. Very UNIQUE.

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If you have some free money, you could try looking up a saddler who does tooling. A quiver pattern isn’t that difficult to produce, and you could choose your own decorative design… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Maybe my subject is worded badly.. > I am looking for a not-so-normal quiver.  Basically, I am looking for > either a leather, or an animal-skin Back quiver.  I really prefer the > back quiver. > For the leather, I don’t mean like the cheap, bright looking leather. > I like the old, dark, aged looking leather.  Or any type of animal or > critter skin. > Honestly, a snake or alligator skinned quiver would be truly amazing. > Or, a "elf" type one, like Legolas’ from Lord of the Rings. > Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions or can point me in a good > direction, I would appreaciate it very much. > Thanks, > Bobby

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> Maybe my subject is worded badly.. > I am looking for a not-so-normal quiver.  Basically, I am looking for > either a leather, or an animal-skin Back quiver.  I really prefer the > back quiver. > For the leather, I don’t mean like the cheap, bright looking leather. > I like the old, dark, aged looking leather.  Or any type of animal or > critter skin.

<snip and de-lurk> The "Horse Archery" Web site offers some beautiful examples of leather quivers for sale: http://www.horsearchery.com/Accessories.html Ramona Fodchuk

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The leather shop in Austin has a huge supply of different styles of leather including some bright colors, some kits of tools, and some patterns for quivers you can use for starters.  perhaps there is a leather shop in your yaller pages? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If you have some free money, you could try looking up a saddler who > does tooling. A quiver pattern isn’t that difficult to produce, and > you could choose your own decorative design… > Maybe my subject is worded badly.. > I am looking for a not-so-normal quiver.  Basically, I am looking for > either a leather, or an animal-skin Back quiver.  I really prefer the > back quiver. > For the leather, I don’t mean like the cheap, bright looking leather. > I like the old, dark, aged looking leather.  Or any type of animal or > critter skin. > Honestly, a snake or alligator skinned quiver would be truly amazing. > Or, a "elf" type one, like Legolas’ from Lord of the Rings. > Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions or can point me in a good > direction, I would appreaciate it very much. > Thanks, > Bobby

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I know of a person who will make you about anything you want out of leather or hides.  He works as a leather worker and shoe repair.  I’ve seen some of his leather work and it’s quite good.  I’m sure prices would vary as the price of leather did.  Lemme know if you want his phone #.

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Yes, the horsearchery folks at http://www.horsearchery.com/ are the ones I meant to recommend when I said horsebow instead. I saw their products at Redding CA, and they were truly beautiful. I am not a "traditional" shooter (I shoot compound freestyle), but I wanted their quiver anyway!

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I am looking for unique  targe6t quivers I would appreciate the number.Thanks jeff

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Phone number for www.horsearchery.com is (408) 873-7158. They are located in Cupertino California.

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Doo Sung Arrows

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I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows?? I know they are Korean and they make other products, stabilisers,tabs …. But I have searched the Net for contact details for the manufacturer… Anyone got an address or phone # .

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>I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows??

Cartel. aka Samick — Sven

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Really !!    Very Interesting I want to try these arrows but will wait till there is an insert nock available. Have you heard any comments ? >I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows?? > Cartel. aka Samick > — > Sven

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>Really !!    Very Interesting >I want to try these arrows but will wait till there is an insert nock >available.

Why that? I saw some archers using these arrows this summer. They all used Beiter nocks. >Have you heard any comments ?

They were all very satisfied. And when I would get the Olympian in 400 spine I would tried them by myself. This time you get them till 600 for recurve. — Sven

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> >Really !!    Very Interesting >I want to try these arrows but will wait till there is an insert nock >available. > Why that? I saw some archers using these arrows this summer. > They all used Beiter nocks. >Have you heard any comments ? > They were all very satisfied. And when I would get > the Olympian in 400 spine I would tried them by myself. > This time you get them till 600 for recurve.

Do you get them from Alternative Sporting Service or from other places? The Olympian does not seems to be the same one as shown in the Samick’s webpage though. P

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>> >Have you heard any comments ? > They were all very satisfied. And when I would get > the Olympian in 400 spine I would tried them by myself. > This time you get them till 600 for recurve. >Do you get them from Alternative Sporting Service or from other >places?

No, our former national coach "Mr. Norbert Knoebel" has an own proshop. NK-Archery. Lokated in the "Black Forrest" in Germany. He is a DooSung Dealer. >The Olympian does not seems to be the same one as shown in the >Samick’s webpage though.

The "Olympians" I saw, were like the ACEs. — Sven

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Try: SAMICK SPORTS CO., LTD 610-6, KAMJEONG-DONG, KIMPO-CITY, KYUNG KI PROV. KOREA TEL : 82-31-982-5599/ 82-31-984-5599 FAX : 82-31-983-3138/ 82-31-983-3338 SAMICK USA OFFICE : Tel :1 – 860 -642 -7819 FAX : 1 – 860 – 642 – 7820 I believe it’s all one company (Doosung/Cartel/Samick). There is a separate Doosung web address, but I’ve never found it working, so maybe they’re still working around to setting up a Doosung website… www.samicksports.com shows some arrows (under "accessories", of all things) but they look like pure carbon shafts from the write up, whereas the Olympians are a parallel carbon/ali shaft (so far as I know). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows?? > I know they are Korean and they make other products, stabilisers,tabs > …. > But I have searched the Net for contact details for the manufacturer… > Anyone got an address or phone # .

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Did you ever try to make any query through this email address in a traditional bow and send a few emails months ago. The response was always the same message: Dear sir or Madam. ! thank you very much for you message. I’ll give you an answer as soon as possible. Thank for your patience. Sounds like a auto reply message!!! Is there anyone manage to find any archery shops in Korea online? Cheers P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Try: > SAMICK SPORTS CO., LTD > 610-6, KAMJEONG-DONG, KIMPO-CITY, KYUNG KI PROV. KOREA > TEL : 82-31-982-5599/ 82-31-984-5599 FAX : 82-31-983-3138/ > 82-31-983-3338 > SAMICK USA OFFICE : Tel :1 – 860 -642 -7819 FAX : 1 – 860 – 642 – 7820 > I believe it’s all one company (Doosung/Cartel/Samick). > There is a separate Doosung web address, but I’ve never found it > working, so maybe they’re still working around to setting up a Doosung > website… > www.samicksports.com shows some arrows (under "accessories", of all > things) but they look like pure carbon shafts from the write up, > whereas the Olympians are a parallel carbon/ali shaft (so far as I > know). > I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows?? > I know they are Korean and they make other products, stabilisers,tabs > …. > But I have searched the Net for contact details for the manufacturer… > Anyone got an address or phone # .

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I’ve never tried Samick, but I’ve had problems getting a response (of any sort – not even an automated reply) out of W&W in the past. Did you try the US address as well? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Did you ever try to make any query through this email address > in a traditional bow and send a few emails months ago. The response > was always the same message: > Dear sir or Madam. ! > thank you very much for you message. > I’ll give you an answer as soon as possible. > Thank for your patience. > Sounds like a auto reply message!!! > Is there anyone manage to find any archery shops in Korea online? > Cheers > P > Try: > SAMICK SPORTS CO., LTD > 610-6, KAMJEONG-DONG, KIMPO-CITY, KYUNG KI PROV. KOREA > TEL : 82-31-982-5599/ 82-31-984-5599 FAX : 82-31-983-3138/ > 82-31-983-3338 > SAMICK USA OFFICE : Tel :1 – 860 -642 -7819 FAX : 1 – 860 – 642 – 7820 > I believe it’s all one company (Doosung/Cartel/Samick). > There is a separate Doosung web address, but I’ve never found it > working, so maybe they’re still working around to setting up a Doosung > website… > www.samicksports.com shows some arrows (under "accessories", of all > things) but they look like pure carbon shafts from the write up, > whereas the Olympians are a parallel carbon/ali shaft (so far as I > know). > > I am trying to find out who is the maker of these arrows?? > > I know they are Korean and they make other products, stabilisers,tabs > > …. > > But I have searched the Net for contact details for the manufacturer… > > Anyone got an address or phone # .

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Compound Target Sight

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Hey Guys and Gals,     I finally decided to go head long into target archery, only with a compound, nt a recurve.  I ordered a new Hoyt Pro-Tec yesterday and am deciding on components to outfit it with.  The sight seems to be my biggest problem, mostly due to my extreme lack of knowledge and the huge variiety in target sights for a compound.  Right now, I’m leaning towards a Toxonics 3550.  They seem to be a very sturdy sight, backed by Toxonics reputation, and they are pretty reasonably priced.  Somewhere around $150.  Anyway, the rest of my outfit will consist of a carter release, a Genesis Archery 5-star stabilizer, and an NAP Quik-Tune 3000 rest.  I’ll be flinging Easton X7 Eclipse arrows in size 2613.  Atleast that’s the setup for NFAA indoors. Any thoughts on this setup will be greatly appreciated, especially thoughts on good compound sights. Sven, I know you shoot competitive compound, what kind of sight do you use?? Thanks, Mike Crowe

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>  Right now, I’m leaning towards a Toxonics 3550.

I would truly recommend the Sure-Loc over any of the rest. In 45 yrs of this stuff I have shot most if not all of them and the Sure-Loc although more expensive outlast any of the others I have tried. NO I am not in anyway connected with that company nor any of their employees.. Just a shooter that enjoys saving money over the long run.. Hope this helps a bit, wPm — S & B Enterprises                     Sunland, CA …the mountains are calling and I must go… <J.Muir>    Do I look old enough to retire? Well I did!  <Buffalo>

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>Hey Guys and Gals, >    I finally decided to go head long into target archery, only with a >compound, nt a recurve.  I ordered a new Hoyt Pro-Tec yesterday and am >deciding on components to outfit it with.  

Congratulation! >The sight seems to be my >biggest problem, mostly due to my extreme lack of knowledge and the huge >variiety in target sights for a compound.  Right now, I’m leaning >towards a Toxonics 3550.  They seem to be a very sturdy sight, backed by >Toxonics reputation, and they are pretty reasonably priced.  Somewhere >around $150.

It is a great sight. Recommendation: Use it with a BullsEye 4x Scope! That will be a great "couple". > Anyway, the rest of my outfit will consist of a carter >release, a Genesis Archery 5-star stabilizer, and an NAP Quik-Tune 3000 >rest.  I’ll be flinging Easton X7 Eclipse arrows in size 2613.  Atleast >that’s the setup for NFAA indoors. >Any thoughts on this setup will be greatly appreciated, especially >thoughts on good compound sights. >Sven, I know you shoot competitive compound, what kind of sight do you >use??

I use the Txonics 5000 *Naildriver* but a lot of my german archers are very pleased with the 3550! I never used the NAP Quik-Tune 3000, but my advice would be the simple "Golden Key" *Golden Premier AR 1000* It is very cheap for such a great rest. I use the carbon launcher outdoor and indoor for the 2613 I use the lizard tongue. But after all, you did a great job with this selection! Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the Pro-Tech? — Sven

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Guys and Gals, >    I finally decided to go head long into target archery, only with a >compound, nt a recurve.  I ordered a new Hoyt Pro-Tec yesterday and am >deciding on components to outfit it with. > Congratulation! >The sight seems to be my >biggest problem, mostly due to my extreme lack of knowledge and the huge >variiety in target sights for a compound.  Right now, I’m leaning >towards a Toxonics 3550.  They seem to be a very sturdy sight, backed by >Toxonics reputation, and they are pretty reasonably priced.  Somewhere >around $150. > It is a great sight. Recommendation: Use it with a BullsEye 4x Scope! > That will be a great "couple". > Anyway, the rest of my outfit will consist of a carter >release, a Genesis Archery 5-star stabilizer, and an NAP Quik-Tune 3000 >rest.  I’ll be flinging Easton X7 Eclipse arrows in size 2613.  Atleast >that’s the setup for NFAA indoors. >Any thoughts on this setup will be greatly appreciated, especially >thoughts on good compound sights. >Sven, I know you shoot competitive compound, what kind of sight do you >use?? > I use the Txonics 5000 *Naildriver* but a lot of my german archers are > very pleased with the 3550! > I never used the NAP Quik-Tune 3000, but my advice would be > the simple "Golden Key" *Golden Premier AR 1000* > It is very cheap for such a great rest. I use the carbon launcher > outdoor and indoor for the 2613 I use the lizard tongue. > But after all, you did a great job with this selection! > Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the > Pro-Tech? > —

I got the Command cams It was kinda a process of elimination.  I don’t like Single cams, but I don’t want to start htat flame war all over again, and I don’t like the accu-wheels because the wall is too mushy on them.  I have shot  them on an aspen with wallbangers and that’s a great combination, but the command cams are just as accurate as the accuwheels and they have a very firm wall without the need for wallbangers. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Guys and Gals, >    I finally decided to go head long into target archery, only with a >compound, nt a recurve.  I ordered a new Hoyt Pro-Tec yesterday and am >deciding on components to outfit it with. > Congratulation! >The sight seems to be my >biggest problem, mostly due to my extreme lack of knowledge and the huge >variiety in target sights for a compound.  Right now, I’m leaning >towards a Toxonics 3550.  They seem to be a very sturdy sight, backed by >Toxonics reputation, and they are pretty reasonably priced.  Somewhere >around $150. > It is a great sight. Recommendation: Use it with a BullsEye 4x Scope! > That will be a great "couple". > Anyway, the rest of my outfit will consist of a carter >release, a Genesis Archery 5-star stabilizer, and an NAP Quik-Tune 3000 >rest.  I’ll be flinging Easton X7 Eclipse arrows in size 2613.  Atleast >that’s the setup for NFAA indoors. >Any thoughts on this setup will be greatly appreciated, especially >thoughts on good compound sights. >Sven, I know you shoot competitive compound, what kind of sight do you >use?? > I use the Txonics 5000 *Naildriver* but a lot of my german archers are > very pleased with the 3550! > I never used the NAP Quik-Tune 3000, but my advice would be > the simple "Golden Key" *Golden Premier AR 1000* > It is very cheap for such a great rest. I use the carbon launcher > outdoor and indoor for the 2613 I use the lizard tongue. > But after all, you did a great job with this selection! > Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the > Pro-Tech? > — > Sven

Sven,     I have shot the AR1000 and, you’re right, it is a great rest.  But the NAP Quick-Tune 3000 is just as tunable and even less exp[ensive.  It is probably the nicest rest I have *ever* shot. Mike

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>> Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the > Pro-Tech? >I got the Command cams It was kinda a process of elimination.  I don’t like >Single cams, but I don’t want to start htat flame war all over again, and I >don’t like the accu-wheels because the wall is too mushy on them.  

Yeah, that is the reason I necer recommend them. Th command cams are OK. — Sven

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> >> Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the >> Pro-Tech? >I got the Command cams It was kinda a process of elimination.  I don’t like >Single cams, but I don’t want to start htat flame war all over again, and I >don’t like the accu-wheels because the wall is too mushy on them. > Yeah, that is the reason I necer recommend them. > Th command cams are OK. > — > Sven

If the command cams are just *OK*, which ones do you recommend?? Mike

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The Toxonics 3550 is my best selling sight and I never had troubles or heard anything negative from my customers. Toxonics offers a great  price – quality relation. I shoot the Toxonics Naildriver and my husband is very satisfied with the Toxonics PS-100 for his Target Bow, becouse it is very light and has a very smooth movement. I agree with Sven regarding the Golden Key AR1000 as you will it receive with three launchers: The Golden Guide Large, the TM Hunter and the Pacesetter FT Special. The advange is you can change the launcher if you change the arrows. Charlotte – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Guys and Gals, >    I finally decided to go head long into target archery, only with a >compound, nt a recurve.  I ordered a new Hoyt Pro-Tec yesterday and am >deciding on components to outfit it with. > Congratulation! >The sight seems to be my >biggest problem, mostly due to my extreme lack of knowledge and the huge >variiety in target sights for a compound.  Right now, I’m leaning >towards a Toxonics 3550.  They seem to be a very sturdy sight, backed by >Toxonics reputation, and they are pretty reasonably priced.  Somewhere >around $150. > It is a great sight. Recommendation: Use it with a BullsEye 4x Scope! > That will be a great "couple". > Anyway, the rest of my outfit will consist of a carter >release, a Genesis Archery 5-star stabilizer, and an NAP Quik-Tune 3000 >rest.  I’ll be flinging Easton X7 Eclipse arrows in size 2613.  Atleast >that’s the setup for NFAA indoors. >Any thoughts on this setup will be greatly appreciated, especially >thoughts on good compound sights. >Sven, I know you shoot competitive compound, what kind of sight do you >use?? > I use the Txonics 5000 *Naildriver* but a lot of my german archers are > very pleased with the 3550! > I never used the NAP Quik-Tune 3000, but my advice would be > the simple "Golden Key" *Golden Premier AR 1000* > It is very cheap for such a great rest. I use the carbon launcher > outdoor and indoor for the 2613 I use the lizard tongue. > But after all, you did a great job with this selection! > Only one Question: What kind of cams you will use with the > Pro-Tech? > — > Sven

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You might also look into a "fall-away" rest. They give great clearance so rest problems are basically non-existant. The Arc system rest looks very nice, judging only by the pictures. I’m using a Spigarelli on my compound and it works just great. As for sights, there are plenty of choices. The Sure Lok is certainly the trendiest, and also the most expensive. Toxonics has a good reputation as well. I shot with a Chek-IT for a while, it was much less expensive and worked very well. Right now I’ve got an AGF Profi which is very solidly build. Anyone want to buy a Chek-IT IB48 in great shape?         Marty Sasaki

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> As for sights, there are plenty of choices. The Sure Lok is certainly > the trendiest, and also the most expensive. Toxonics has a good > reputation as well. I shot with a Chek-IT for a while, it was much > less expensive and worked very well.

yeah there are plenty to choose from, my advice would be this. You’ve paid good money for the bow, don’t skimp on the accessories or you’ll end up buying them more then once (speaking from experience here). I use a Nail driver, exceptional sight, it cost more then I wanted to pay but my other (read cheaper here) sight just couldn’t handle my bow. (ScepterII XRG fury cams) cheers!! Stop by and say G’day An Australian Archer http://www.riverland.net.au/~manno/archery/main.htm

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>If the command cams are just *OK*, which ones do you recommend??

I am a single cam fan! )) Some month ago I got the chance to shoot an Aspen/Redline. It is a great bow. I think, if I would have to make the decision I would prefer the Pro-Tec with XT 3000 limbs and the new Sabercam! In that case you get a bow with very forgiving 43" ata length and a rock solid wall. Best what you can get for target archery. — Sven

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Fletching jig question

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Hello, First off, thanks to all who have answered any of my many questions. What great bunch of folks. I have not seen a fletching jig (in person) so this might be obvious, but I am catalog shopping so I can’t see them. Does any fletching jig (or the majority) give you the capability to do slight helical? Like say, 3 degrees? Or does it give you one set helical? Is there a jig that allows any setting between straight and full helical? I would assume that the Blitzenburger allows for it as everyone raves about that one, but they don’t mention it in any catalog copy. If someone can recommend a jig that does have this capability, I’d appreciate it. BTW, I will be making new arrows every now and then, but mostly repairing damaged fletching from use. All help is appreciated. Jeff Green

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Well, http://web.fwi.com/fwistore/showdetl.cfm?&DID=14&Product_ID=1316&CATI… and pages following have pictures.  The site seems a bit flaky right now, but I’m sure they’ll fix it soon. The answer to your question is "it depends": certain jigs are fixed, others are adjustable.  The Bitz can select the fletch index pattern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > First off, thanks to all who have answered any of my many questions. What > great bunch of folks. > I have not seen a fletching jig (in person) so this might be obvious, but > I am catalog shopping so I can’t see them. > Does any fletching jig (or the majority) give you the capability to do > slight helical? Like say, 3 degrees? Or does it give you one set helical? > Is there a jig that allows any setting between straight and full helical? > I would assume that the Blitzenburger allows for it as everyone raves > about that one, but they don’t mention it in any catalog copy. If someone > can recommend a jig that does have this capability, I’d appreciate it. > BTW, I will be making new arrows every now and then, but mostly repairing > damaged fletching from use. > All help is appreciated. > Jeff Green

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Geoff I use the Arten fletching jig – the arrow is held vertically on a base which allows either 3 or 4 fletches per arrow. The fletch clamp is held to the jig base by a strong magnet ( the best method  in my opinion.  The clamp magnet carrier is has an ajustable helix angle about 10 degrees either side of the arrow centre line. A really great British tool!! Colin — Colin Glenister MNASC GNAS County Coach – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does any fletching jig (or the majority) give you the capability to do > slight helical? Like say, 3 degrees? Or does it give you one set helical? > Is there a jig that allows any setting between straight and full helical? > I would assume that the Blitzenburger allows for it as everyone raves > about that one, but they don’t mention it in any catalog copy. If someone > can recommend a jig that does have this capability, I’d appreciate it.

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Jeff The  answer is yes. The Bitzinburger Jig can be set to different degrees. So can the Jo-Jan fletching jig. These are the two jigs that I use. But putting the fletch on helical is not the same as putting on a fletch at 3 degrees. These two jigs are two piece items. The base and the clamp. To fletch helical you need to make sure that when you buy your jig that you order a helical clamp. The helical clamp itself is curved allowing the fletch to be curved around the arrow. You normally do not have to put a helical fletch on at any degree because of the natural curve. This is what most people that hunt use. Those that shoot competition normally fletch with a straight clamp and then put them on at a 2 or 3 degree angle. The reason for this is that helical fletch usually slows the arrow down more then a straight fletch. Hope this helps and good luck. Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Does any fletching jig (or the majority) give you the capability to do >slight helical? Like say, 3 degrees? Or does it give you one set helical? >Is there a jig that allows any setting between straight and full helical? >I would assume that the Blitzenburger allows for it as everyone raves >about that one, but they don’t mention it in any catalog copy. If someone >can recommend a jig that does have this capability, I’d appreciate it.

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I’ve used the Bitzenberger with a right helical clamp.  It is adjustable for most any combination.  You can offset either end of the fletch, I believe this is for different shaft sizes.  I made a permanent modification to my clamp by filing the center down a few thousandths and it gave me more offset and more helical. Make sure you obtain the correct index knob, there are several available and if memory serves me, straight requires a different knob than helical, and TM hunter (cock feather down) is another.

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I’m using a Spigarelli. It allows you to adjust the angle of the fletching to the shaft and also the angle of the fletching to the nock. You can use 3, 4 or 6 fletching with the 4 being  at 75 – 105 degrees Paul http://canadian-dream.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > First off, thanks to all who have answered any of my many questions. What > great bunch of folks. > I have not seen a fletching jig (in person) so this might be obvious, but > I am catalog shopping so I can’t see them. > Does any fletching jig (or the majority) give you the capability to do > slight helical? Like say, 3 degrees? Or does it give you one set helical? > Is there a jig that allows any setting between straight and full helical? > I would assume that the Blitzenburger allows for it as everyone raves > about that one, but they don’t mention it in any catalog copy. If someone > can recommend a jig that does have this capability, I’d appreciate it. > BTW, I will be making new arrows every now and then, but mostly repairing > damaged fletching from use. > All help is appreciated. > Jeff Green

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Martin Archery Accessories makes a heavy plastic copy of the Bitzenberger, that takes Bitzenberger clamps, uses Bitzenberger-style adjustments, and is like 1/2 the cost. You could get three and four fletch nock receivers last I knew. The views and opinions expressed here are the views and opinions expressed here. John Dickmon http://members.aol.com/Razorhead1/index.html

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The shop in Munich where I bought mine had all 3 in stock, the Bitzenberger was about 2.5 time the price of mine the Martin copy was the same price. The both would only take a limited size of arrows. This for most use this really doesn’t matter. Some people here are using logs (2613) for indoors and they don’t fit quite properly. The deciding factor as usual was price, I don’t particularly like plastic Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Martin Archery Accessories makes a heavy plastic copy of the Bitzenberger, that > takes Bitzenberger clamps, uses Bitzenberger-style adjustments, and is like 1/2 > the cost. You could get three and four fletch nock receivers last I knew. > The views and opinions expressed here are the views and opinions expressed > here. > John Dickmon > http://members.aol.com/Razorhead1/index.html

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Precision Balance Stabalizers

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Does anyone have any opinion of Precision Balance Stabalizers or their Doinkers? Or have you even heard of them??? thanks for the response.

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> Does anyone have any opinion of Precision Balance Stabalizers or their >Doinkers? Or have you even heard of them??? thanks for the response.

IMHO, Doinkers are great, they work like TFC’s but last much longer.   Many Olympic Bow archers like their feel.  I don’t particularly care for them on the front rod but they are great on side rods for V-bar setups. This is because I like to rest my bow on the front rod, and the doinker gets torn up. Also,   I prefer to use them "reversed".  I remove the weight stud from my stabilizer, screw in the Doinker, then use the stud to attach the weight to the female side of the doinker.  This uses the doinker’s mass to add to the dampening effect.   George Tekmitchov Senior Product Development Engineer Easton Technical Products, Inc. HoytUSA Avalon, 68" 42# carbon foam yielding 49# at draw Easton X10 .410, 30.5", X10 nock Shibuya Japan RX965 sight Easton ACE VRS Stabilizing System Cavalier Elite tab, Clicker, Master Plunger, Free Flyte rest Optics by Leica Camera GMBH Quiver & Accessories by Angel Archery Japan

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> > Does anyone have any opinion of Precision Balance Stabalizers or their >Doinkers? Or have you even heard of them??? thanks for the response. > IMHO, Doinkers are great, they work like TFC’s but last much longer. > Many Olympic Bow archers like their feel.  I don’t particularly care for > them on the front rod but they are great on side rods for V-bar setups. > This is because I like to rest my bow on the front rod, and the doinker > gets torn up.

Remarkably nearly everyone I know who has tried doinkers/gizzmos/schwabels has ended up shooting them, they do work great. I have them on my longrod and twins. I find the one on the longrod does the most work (3") the twin rods just take that little bit of extra buzz out of the shot. The only problem I know of are that they make your longrod 2-4" longer and some people don’t like that (including me) I’m now using a 22" longrod, 5" extension and a 3" doinker. My longrod used to be 24". I never liked the feel of TFC’s (too much wobble, even with very stiff TFC’s) and the bow was a bit violent with nothing. Doinkers seem to do the job of the TFC with the feel of no damper….. magic Why didn’t we pay more attention to the French, Germans and Dutch in the late 1980’s??????? > Also,   I prefer to use them "reversed".  I remove the weight stud from my > stabilizer, screw in the Doinker, then use the stud to attach the weight > to the female side of the doinker.  This uses the doinker’s mass to add to > the dampening effect.

The type I use are just high pressure rubber hosing with a male thread at one end and a female thread at the other so this problem/idea isn’t relevant.                               Stretch PS "If you use a bow stand you can use them on the longrod too" Said Stretch placing his shiny Avalon on his equally sexy Carbofast bow stand PPS Yeah I know, what kind of idiot spends 30 quid on a bowstand……. ……. not me — John Dickson,(aka Stretch)      Hoyt Avalon, Carbon+ 70" 47# Multimedia Guru?                Gemini Stabilisers, Spiga Carbon 30 Heriot-Watt University          ASB Dyneema 22str, ACE 400 L4 32.5"

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Conversion factor for grains?

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Can anyone tell me the conversion factor for grains to pounds? I have a small scale that I want to use to weigh my arrows, but it measures in pounds or grams. thanks, Brian

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Question:   How to convert grains to pounds. Conversion = .000142857 lb= 1 grain .  The easy one to remember is 7000 grains= 1lb. 15.432 grains = 1 gram. Shoot well ! George Tekmitchov Senior Product Development Engineer Easton Technical Products, Inc. HoytUSA Avalon, 68" 42# carbon foam yielding 49# at draw Easton X10 .410, 30.5", X10 nock Shibuya Japan RX965 sight Easton ACE VRS Stabilizing System Cavalier Elite tab, Clicker, Master Plunger, Free Flyte rest Optics by Leica Camera GMBH Quiver & Accessories by Angel Archery Japan

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> Can anyone tell me the conversion factor for grains to pounds? I > have a small scale that I want to use to weigh my arrows, but it > measures in pounds or grams. > thanks, > Brian

There are 437.5 grains to an ounce –  7,000 grains to a pound.

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